75% of my school are in

[ReginaPhalangee]

That's it in a nutshell. Three quarters of my school are classed as keyworker or vulnerable. Might as well chuck the other 50 in and be done with it.

Lockdown 1... 12 children.

No PPE and we've got to double our workload for the ones needing remote learning whilst we are teaching our classes. And then making phone calls to check on them.

It's the same for every school in my area.

It’s harder on those who are out as it will last longer. And even though that is crap here I still get why people are going for it.

The cases won’t drop as quickly though.

And we certainly can’t afford for accountants to stop working for months on end to homeschool their children. How would companies get audited? How would tax be processed, and so on?

Accountants can work from home FFS just like everyone who didnt abuse this list for their convenience.

I hope this matter is looked into by press, govt, schools to limit places... otherwise it defeat the point of closing schools.

I qualified at a big 4 and then work with them. I am now in finance. It doesnt mean your money stops getting invested and we stop monitoring investments or processing trades and pensioners stop getting paid.

But at the same time I feel "I can't do this again" about putting myself at risk by going into classrooms that are still too full

In the nicest possible way, people are going to put their own families mental health and economic survival first. If that sounds harsh, I’m sorry, but that’s life.

Accountants can work from home FFS just like everyone who didnt abuse this list for their convenience.

As can lots of nhs staff, including clinical. Should they not get a place either?

I'm opposite situation as I was a keyworker last time, but have changed roles now.

Most people didn't clock this change if it didn't impact them. But in lockdown 1: the guidance changed to only one keyworker parent and no longer any emphasis on if you can keep kids safely home you should at May half term.

Some schools at that point adjusted their policies, others didn't. The current guidance on the government website isn't clear whether they expect schools to follow the first set of guidance (only take kids who can't be at home safely) or the second (any keyworker kids) but looks like it's the second.

Extremely confusing.

If there are 20 children in and if only 5 of them get a positive result (at different times) that’s a lot of isolation periods.

If you only have 5 children in so they can be socially distanced if one gets a positive result you can probably get away without sending the other 4 home

Yes, although a number of my friends are hospital doctors and none of them can work from homes bar one doing a further research degree.
My mum is a GP who WFH and I dont see how it's any different to my WFH job. She has no kids in the house, but takes calls and work on the laptop just like I do.

"That’s not necessarily how employers see it.

Also, some could only wfh in a limited capacity, so understandably, employers need them to fulfil their whole role now."

..and here lies the flaw in the system. Difficult to blame schools when our wonderful government has allowed employers to make the call. If people can do their jobs at home then they MUST if this has to have any chance of working.

I'm using the key worker place this time and I didn't last time. DS's dad is a key worker, I'm not. However I can't work from home as I'm in manufacturing and it's a lot of manual factory work. I was furloughed last time so I didn't need the space but I do now as I'm back at work. This could be the case for other people.

There were only 14 children in out of 60 in DS's year though so they're not swamped.

@TheKeatingFive

But at the same time I feel "I can't do this again" about putting myself at risk by going into classrooms that are still too full

In the nicest possible way, people are going to put their own families mental health and economic survival first. If that sounds harsh, I’m sorry, but that’s life.

Tough shit.

From experience i know exactly what some parents are like in terms of not wanting to contribute to the community whilst taking from it and not wanting to work a minute past when they are supposed to clock off. They are 'too busy' doing fuck all.

Work late. Work early. Work weekends. Its not like you've got fuck all else to do.

Meanwhile its perfectly acceptable to expect front line nhs staff to pick up extra shifts because the situation in hospitals is so out of control and to jeapodise their child care.

I know my brother in law was working Christmas day when he was supposed to be on leave...

It will be the same piss takers. Who need a reality check about what is at stake and happening in hospitals.

@TheKeatingFive

Parents expected to make all of the sacrifices here, so not sleeping or working crazy hours, with no flex

Many people saw what that did to their families last time and will do anything to avoid it again. It’s not just parents making sacrifices, kids are also.

Or do as we do, and use grandparents.

Well bully for you, but that’s not an option for everyone,

Oh I completely understand this, we are on the same side . I honestly couldn’t have coped without grandparents. The arbitrary definition of keyworkers is totally unfair. I’m, probably as those parents are doing, putting my family first. For us that means using grandparents to do a lot of homeschooling. For others that might mean trying their best to get a keyworker place.

My friend is a critical worker and asked the school for just 2 days a week to cover her shifts and she was told full time or nothing. Maybe the school are working on the same basis? Last time ours schools had few in secondary around 12 and now around 70 (school of around 700) and other secondary had a handful in (and very few teachers working and no work set at all), this time about 120 in and seems most teachers are in too and the work set is great this time. Vastly different to the first experience.

Bottom line and moral of the story is - we collectively caused this super mutating asymptomatic super spreading. Despite no fit for purpose test, track, trace and isolate we never had a strict enough lockdown to eradicate or even contain the virus in society. All those people who maxed out the rules or never moderated their person to person contact are a part of the problem not solution. All those who superficially wore face coverings or even conveniently fraudulently claimed to be exempt likewise are now seeing the fruits of their selfish behaviour. Other societies like those in advance East Asian nations and New Zealand etc followed the rules seriously and were long term strategically able to make hard short term personal sacrifices like not seeing each other and always masks and now have their life back to relative normality with lives saved and livelihoods retained. We are once again abusing the rules after eating out and socialising in pubs and occasionally working at home knowing the dangers and now paying a long term more detrimental cost by fighting to be recognised as vulnerable or key worker to continue the spread of disease and further crash the economy. People need to understand heard immunity is not a game changer as Sweden was a huge home goal mistake not model of liberalism. If not for the new vaccines we would be truly doomed given the lack of social and self responsibility to even look after our own children temporarily again and to help control the spreading and mutating of this disease. It's always someone else responsibility and problem and never our own. Perhaps people should ask schools to look after their dog too?

Our school has also said to just send the children in 5 days a week as it was a logistical nightmare last time with everyone's different shift patterns.

From experience i know exactly what some parents are like in terms of not wanting to contribute to the community whilst taking from it and not wanting to work a minute past when they are supposed to clock off. They are 'too busy' doing fuck all

And others work enormous hours because many people’s jobs depend on them doing theirs. They don’t want to let these people down and plunge them into poverty.

However they are not prepared to put their own children’s needs last, like they did in March.

The arbitrary definition of keyworkers is totally unfair. I’m, probably as those parents are doing, putting my family first. For us that means using grandparents to do a lot of homeschooling. For others that might mean trying their best to get a keyworker place.

Sorry yes, we are on completely the same page.

I've sent my in, I do not feel a jot of guilt.

I didn't use a KW place last time. Am this time.

MY DH is a KW and out of the house, I am not a KW and WFH in a responsive/reactive insanely busy industry right now.

I am not prepared to neglect my children again, my 5 year old forgot how to read last time. I was working 6am to 9pm most days. I am not prepared to end up needing care for my mental health. I'm not prepared to through my experience the child under a husband further damage her mental health.

All of those sanctimonious idiots spouting we should all bend over backwards and take it like a trooper can get to fook. Been there, done that. If you want to be a martyr, no problem, but don't be so bloody judgmental about others, none of us know the path others walk.

There were 8% of children in my DCs school yesterday, 4 children from one child's class of 30 and 6 from the other.

Those teachers who need to isolate and are vulnerable have been given the ticket to do that by Bozza.

@ofboris

I've sent my in, I do not feel a jot of guilt.

I didn't use a KW place last time. Am this time.

MY DH is a KW and out of the house, I am not a KW and WFH in a responsive/reactive insanely busy industry right now.

I am not prepared to neglect my children again, my 5 year old forgot how to read last time. I was working 6am to 9pm most days. I am not prepared to end up needing care for my mental health. I'm not prepared to through my experience the child under a husband further damage her mental health.

All of those sanctimonious idiots spouting we should all bend over backwards and take it like a trooper can get to fook. Been there, done that. If you want to be a martyr, no problem, but don't be so bloody judgmental about others, none of us know the path others walk.

There were 8% of children in my DCs school yesterday, 4 children from one child's class of 30 and 6 from the other.

Those teachers who need to isolate and are vulnerable have been given the ticket to do that by Bozza.

Not prepared to throw my Child under a bus*

I can’t help but think this is bullshit. There’s hardly any in our school and they didn’t have a strict policy- just one keyworker.

Anyway, I’m elated if it’s not bullshit because it’s suits my theory that the whole World is not quaking in their boots that they’re going to die. What’s really happening is everyone is just doing what suits their family best and for a lot of them that’s sitting at home being paid on furlough etc! They talk themselves into the fear to justify how they’re actually fucking living this whole thing!

@ofboris

I've sent my in, I do not feel a jot of guilt.

I didn't use a KW place last time. Am this time.

MY DH is a KW and out of the house, I am not a KW and WFH in a responsive/reactive insanely busy industry right now.

I am not prepared to neglect my children again, my 5 year old forgot how to read last time. I was working 6am to 9pm most days. I am not prepared to end up needing care for my mental health. I'm not prepared to through my experience the child under a husband further damage her mental health.

All of those sanctimonious idiots spouting we should all bend over backwards and take it like a trooper can get to fook. Been there, done that. If you want to be a martyr, no problem, but don't be so bloody judgmental about others, none of us know the path others walk.

There were 8% of children in my DCs school yesterday, 4 children from one child's class of 30 and 6 from the other.

Those teachers who need to isolate and are vulnerable have been given the ticket to do that by Bozza.

Yeah its you who expect the NHS to 'suck it up' and for people to die as a result.

Fine.

Its not about being sanctimonious. Its spelling out the consequences and what you are doing.

People don't like hearing it though, and they just make excuses about why they are special and they NEED something more than someone else.

Its shit on whoever else you can. Its humanity at its worst.

OakleyStreetisnotinChelsea

Blimey. Our primary has specifically stated that both must be critical workers and that both much be working outside the home. Both dh and I are critical workers but he is working from home so no school place (and we wouldn't send them anyway because obviously the point is to reduce contacts as much as possible)

Wish there were more thinking as you do.

Also - we were told that teachers were all terrified and wanted schools shut, but for the first time ever people turned against their unions on mass. So we’re they terrified of dying or did they need the childcare from schools too!?
All the Teachers pretending to speak for others were the ones were that suited their lives better - no kids, no financial hit (life would be easier)

What I’ve learnt from this is the hysterical people who “speak out” on TV, social media... Mumsnet. Do not represent the general population, they are suffer from mental health problems!

My school is at around 25% and I’d guess that is much more typical than the 75% in the OP. The vast majority aren’t taking the piss but using places they’re entitled to . In my daughter’s class there are 2x drs children, 3x teachers, one civil servant and one working in energy. That doesn’t scream a class full of parents taking the piss to me.

RedToothBrush

Why are you so angry?

You've no idea what I do for a job, what KW role my husband plays, what damage the last year has done to me or my family, you don't know my husband was seriously ill when he had COVID, you don't realise that not everyone can get furloughed, you don't know how fragile someone's mental health is.

People like YOU make me sick.

Go fook yourself.

@ofboris

I've sent my in, I do not feel a jot of guilt.

I didn't use a KW place last time. Am this time.

MY DH is a KW and out of the house, I am not a KW and WFH in a responsive/reactive insanely busy industry right now.

I am not prepared to neglect my children again, my 5 year old forgot how to read last time. I was working 6am to 9pm most days. I am not prepared to end up needing care for my mental health. I'm not prepared to through my experience the child under a husband further damage her mental health.

All of those sanctimonious idiots spouting we should all bend over backwards and take it like a trooper can get to fook. Been there, done that. If you want to be a martyr, no problem, but don't be so bloody judgmental about others, none of us know the path others walk.

There were 8% of children in my DCs school yesterday, 4 children from one child's class of 30 and 6 from the other.

Those teachers who need to isolate and are vulnerable have been given the ticket to do that by Bozza.

Not many in same situation would do differently even if they say they wouldn’t on here.