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New English COVID legislation published

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Horizons83 · 05/01/2021 18:43

The new English legislation has just been published, so I thought it would be useful to summarise what the law actually says, rather than the guidance.

Please do not take this as an endorsement to disregard the guidance… but I do think it’s important that people understand when they are breaking the law and when they are merely not following guidance.

I’ve seen posts (not necessarily on MN) from people who refused to bubble up with a lonely relative over Christmas because they lived in a different tier from them, people who decided they could not go to the supermarket they could see from their window because the county boundary was in between – all of which were legally permissible under the Tier system.

The legislation is here:

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/8/contents/made

Basically, it tweaks the Tier 4 legislation and states that all of England is now Tier 4.

This is not a definitive list of the rules, but ones that I’ve been able to highlight from a quick review. It is for the general public only – employers obviously may have their own rules, or certain sectors will have other legislation they must adhere to.

Support bubbles

Support bubbles still exist in the same way as before.

Should you be in a support bubble this means that you are in effect treated as one household, living under one roof. You can therefore do anything you would do as one household. You do not need to stay in your local area to travel between each other’s houses – you could be opposite ends of England and still be able to travel to each other. You can stay overnight in each other’s houses.

Exercise

There is NO legal requirement to only exercise once per day. There is NO legal requirement to limit this to one hour.

There is NO legal requirement to only exercise within walking distance of your home. There is NO legal reason why you cannot drive across county lines to do that exercise.

You are only allowed to meet up with one other individual from outside your household or support bubble, and the reason must be for exercise in an outdoor space. However, children under the age of 5 DO NOT COUNT – so a parent and toddler can still meet up with one other parent and toddler to exercise.

Other reasons to leave home

The following are all permissible reasons to leave home . In every case there is NO legal requirement to only do those things if they are within your village/town/county. If your hospital appointment is in London and you live in Birmingham, that is absolutely fine to attend. If your local supermarket is in the next county, you can use it.

Work – where the work cannot be done from home. The work itself does not need to be deemed ‘essential’.

Voluntary services – these are still allowed, where they cannot be done from home.

Shopping for food and other goods – this is also permitted if you are doing it on behalf of a vulnerable person, or someone who is self isolating. There is no restriction on what goods you buy, they do not have to be deemed essential goods. Rather, if the shop selling the goods is legally allowed to be open, you can purchase from it.

Care of a vulnerable person – for example, elderly relatives who you cannot form a bubble with. It is perfectly legal to stay overnight with them.

Taking a child to their other parent’s house.

Attending to animal welfare.

Attending medical appointments and visiting family or close friends in hospital.

Attending other legally required appointments such as passport and visa services.

Social distancing

The requirement to keep 2 metres away from others not in your household or support bubble is NOT in the law, and as far as I am aware never has been. Of course, it’s very sensible to follow this guidance, but no-one is going to be arrested if they get too close to another person.

I hope that is helpful.

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HecouldLickEm · 06/01/2021 10:19

Fara you are mis understanding me, another poster said they have the legislation on their phone, I was asking if anyone had this so I could also show or tell the officer.

Ie they could take my car reg - and notice me going to the same place a few days later an fine me, if I can " politely " show them or tell them the legislation, they may talk to me about my actions but let me pass and not take my reg etc .

I totally understand their role.

HecouldLickEm · 06/01/2021 10:19

what is the specific argument about me being allowed to travel to local place when they tell me I am crossing a boundary out of my locality.

Lurkingforawhile · 06/01/2021 10:45

@HecouldLickEm the legislation contains no specific restrictions on moving between areas

HecouldLickEm · 06/01/2021 10:59

Lurking thank you so what is the moving between towns - is that guidance only ?

chomalungma · 06/01/2021 11:01

Daily Mail have fucked up with that article.

They have posted the leglisation. Then they have put the guidance next to it - which people could interpret as being part of the leglisation.

AcornAutumn · 06/01/2021 11:11

@chomalungma

Daily Mail have fucked up with that article.

They have posted the leglisation. Then they have put the guidance next to it - which people could interpret as being part of the leglisation.

Media do this intentionally, probably by government instruction.
Splodgetastic · 06/01/2021 11:49

@chomalungma Does the guidance refer to masks outdoors then?

Lurkingforawhile · 06/01/2021 12:33

@HecouldLickEm as far as I can see, and based on the amended tier 4 SI, there is nothing in there to say "stay local". That is the guidance. Most of us will stay very local, but for a lot of us that means going over an administrative boundary. I live only 1/2 mile from the county boundary so often go over it even in a local walk starting from home.

Ifailed · 06/01/2021 13:04

@Lurkingforawhile. I live in a smallish town & the main park is very busy with people out walking. I fully intend to drive our into the countryside, park up and do a circular walk on footpaths I know will be deserted (& muddy!).
I have no qualms about that, I'm hardly likely to meet anyone and my desire to get out and get some exercise & fresh air will be met. I have no idea if I'll cross some administrative boundary and frankly don't care, at most it'll be a 15 mile round trip.

HecouldLickEm · 06/01/2021 13:28

Lurking thank you so much

Horizons83 · 06/01/2021 13:45

@ILookAtTheFloor

I believe it is legal to go to the courier depot. One of the acceptable reasons for leaving home is to purchase goods or services from one of the business which are permitted to remain open in Tier 4. One of these businesses include:

Storage and distribution facilities, including delivery drop off or collection points.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/schedule/3A/paragraph/17

To confirm - if a business is legally open, you can travel to it. You do not need to justify what you are posting. It is reasonably necessary to leave the house to go to that open business.

I want to reiterate, I am by no means advocating leaving the house 20 times a day to muck about... but it makes the point that it's the businesses that are approved, not the goods and services you want to use.

It's impossible to create a list of essential goods... I would be very happy for all off licences to shut, but they are on the approved list. If people have a problem with that they should take it up with their MP, but shouldn't castigate people for going to them.

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Horizons83 · 06/01/2021 14:01

@Splodgetastic

The only legislation about wearing masks that I am aware of is the one that came into effect back in July:

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020

This only refers to inside, not outside.

It's entirely possible the Daily Mail have got that wrong.. but I will admit I haven't looked up much about mask wearing.

I find the coverage entirely bizarre... we are just in Tier 4 rules, as a lot of the south has been for weeks, there's no major changes!

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ILookAtTheFloor · 06/01/2021 14:22

[quote Horizons83]@ILookAtTheFloor

I believe it is legal to go to the courier depot. One of the acceptable reasons for leaving home is to purchase goods or services from one of the business which are permitted to remain open in Tier 4. One of these businesses include:

Storage and distribution facilities, including delivery drop off or collection points.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/schedule/3A/paragraph/17

To confirm - if a business is legally open, you can travel to it. You do not need to justify what you are posting. It is reasonably necessary to leave the house to go to that open business.

I want to reiterate, I am by no means advocating leaving the house 20 times a day to muck about... but it makes the point that it's the businesses that are approved, not the goods and services you want to use.

It's impossible to create a list of essential goods... I would be very happy for all off licences to shut, but they are on the approved list. If people have a problem with that they should take it up with their MP, but shouldn't castigate people for going to them.[/quote]
Thanks so much for clarifying 😁👍@Horizons83

Lurkingforawhile · 06/01/2021 14:59

@Ifailed - completely agree. I'll be doing similar, confident in the knowledge that I'm not breaking any laws. Sorry if anything in my post suggested otherwise.

Splodgetastic · 06/01/2021 20:00

The guidance has been clarified on exercise, including this snippet: “If you (or a person in your care) have a health condition that routinely requires you to leave home to maintain your health - including if that involves travel beyond your local area or exercising several times a day - then you can do so.” I am pleased about this. While It wasn’t against the legislation, this is helpful as I didn’t really want to diverge too much from guidance and I have some foot problems that require fairly regular movement.

Honeydukesmum · 06/01/2021 20:01

www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#meeting-other-people

Updated today re under 5’s / carers

New English COVID legislation published
Horizons83 · 08/01/2021 12:29

And this is why it's so important for people to know their rights:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814

Two women have described how they were surrounded by police, read their rights and fined £200 each after driving five miles to take a walk.

Guidance issued by the Cabinet Office states that people can leave their homes for exercise but should not travel outside their "local area".

However, the actual legislation does not specify a maximum distance that people are allowed to travel for exercise.

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LucilleTheVampireBat · 08/01/2021 12:35

Can it be said then, from this legislation, that the police are not able to issue fines if people are driving for exercise, or driving to the supermarket or whatever? I have seen countless posts on SM from the local police force themselves, informing us that they are carrying out checks on vehicles parked at beauty spots and will be levying fines if the vehicle is found to be from 'outside the area'. If it is legally permissible to travel then on what grounds can they fine people?

I would add, I can't even drive so I am absolutely not trying to find loopholes to benefit myself. I just don't like the idea of the police trying to enforce 'guidance'.

LucilleTheVampireBat · 08/01/2021 12:35

Untimely cross post there!

Does it stand to reason then that these two women should refuse to pay their £200 fines?

AcornAutumn · 08/01/2021 12:37

I'm also unclear on the situation re places of worship

Nothing within even 45 mins walk is open. It seems to be legally permitted but I cannot see the police being okay if they find me on the bus or a Tube for a Sunday service.

Horizons83 · 08/01/2021 12:38

The police have even got their defence wrong:

The College of Policing said: "In overall terms police officers across England and Wales will be using their discretion and professional judgement about whether or not someone has a reasonable excuse for travelling for exercise and being outside the place where they are living."

Travelling for exercise doesn't need to be reasonable. The law says:

You cannot leave your house without a reasonable excuse;

A reasonable excuse is where one of the exceptions set out in paragraph 2 applies;

Paragraph 2 states that it is reasonably necessary for the person to leave their house to take exercise.

The reasonably necessary applies to leaving the house at all... once you have left the house there is absolutely no prohibition on where you do the exercise, as long as it is exercise that you are doing and that exercise is reasonably necessary. 20th trip of the day for a walk, probably not. 1 trip out of the house to drive to the local park, not a problem.

Drives me nuts!!!!

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Horizons83 · 08/01/2021 12:40

@LucilleTheVampireBat

Absolutely they should refuse to pay them. But I can totally understand the fear when a policeman comes up to you that you just do what they say and accept the fine to save it escalating.

Police state here we come...

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LucilleTheVampireBat · 08/01/2021 13:05

Thanks for that Horizons83

I find this very concerning.

Lurkingforawhile · 08/01/2021 13:36

This really is very worrying if the situation is as reported - and I understand why they were intimidated but in similar circumstances I would absolutely refuse to pay the fine. I also think a court would find it hard to interpret that having a hot drink whilst walking is leisure not exercise. I had also spotted that they had incorrectly applied a "reasonableness" test. This is why it's so important that people know what is legally not permitted and thanks again to OP for this thread.

Lurkingforawhile · 08/01/2021 13:39

@AcornAutumn completely support your right to worship and travel to worship. but I know some church leaders have closed their services because they are worried about transmission. That might be why nothing is open for a distance. Stay safe.

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