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Whitty saying we'll still have restrictions next winter

453 replies

bathsh3ba · 05/01/2021 17:43

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55542393

Fan-fucking-tastic. And I don't swear. Honestly don't know how I'm going to get through this.

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boxingdayclearout · 05/01/2021 19:18

I've just read through the link that the OP has posted and I can't see CW having said that at all???

itsgettingweird · 05/01/2021 19:19

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'I've heard from doctors who've actually worked with him that he is a very caring man. If he smiled, you'd be saying he wasn't taking it seriously or didn't care.'

Yes and it would just be weird. I like his quiet, simple delivery. He's very reassuring. Not overly keen on Van Tam's constant analogies.

Ah see. I was kidding along to your very measured post until you dissed JVT WinkGrin
itsgettingweird · 05/01/2021 19:20

@boxingdayclearout

I've just read through the link that the OP has posted and I can't see CW having said that at all???
Cos he didn't 🤣🤣
CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/01/2021 19:22

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Are the scientists withholding some critical material discovery?

Would the new vaccines keep pace with the mutating strains?

2% of UK population now recorded infected. So what is the expected real rate of asymptomatic super spreading? More than 10%?

I would imagine they are withholding some info yes. Look how misunderstood the data they do give out has become. I would imagine they are not telling us some extremeley important but complex fact or two. Not because they want to hide it but because to tell us about it would be futile, or irrelevent or both and more on top!

New vaccines? Or 'tweaks' to the vaccines we have? Either way... that dends on what the virus does next. But so far the answer seems to be that it is acting in a manner that is predictable in its general manner but not the details.

Super spreading? I doubt they know nor would they hazard a guess, as it too would be taken out of cntext and used to scare people. Asymptomatic super spreading? - that's like trying to measure the size of an invisible dog by measuring the dirth of cats in a given area! It can be done, but the math is ridiculously complex and the results only ever a best guess - unless you actually catch all the invisible dogs.

MadameBlobby · 05/01/2021 19:22

@ineedaholidaynow

Maybe things like no large gatherings, wearing masks on public transport, encouraging WFH during the winter months. I could live with that
No Christmas parties etc? No thanks. We don’t do things like that to stop flu deaths, it won’t be acceptable for Covid either once the NHS is no longer at risk.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/01/2021 19:25

Funny. I still can't take a post seriously that says I'd rather be quite ill, maybe have someon in my family die than have a party! Add to that your username @MadameBlobby and I am sure you will undertsand my predoicament!

Forgetmenot157 · 05/01/2021 19:25

He also said its a possibility, not a probability. Those curbs would also likely be aimed at stop id the spread in high risk areas so masks when visiting care homes or hospitals. It's not going to be full on heavy restrictions again.

Bluntness100 · 05/01/2021 19:25

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Are the scientists withholding some critical material discovery?

Would the new vaccines keep pace with the mutating strains?

2% of UK population now recorded infected. So what is the expected real rate of asymptomatic super spreading? More than 10%?

Well no one can predict how it will mutate, but the current new Kent strain they are sure the vaccine will protect against it, they are not sure about the South African strain but if not they say they can tweak in a matter of days, not the six weeks, then go into production.

As for the real rate, I don’t know, becayse so many more people are being tested now compare to last spring, however as hospital admissions are up and this strain is not more virulent. It would indicate more peoooe are infected now than there were in th spring.

If this continues at this pace the nhs would be breached in approx 3 weeks. So they need to stop us mingling and halt it. Whilst they get the vulnerable vaccinated.

As I wrote in another thread, people have to remember the flu has a ten percent death rate unvaccinated, much higher than Covid. Deaths annually from flu/influenza/pneumonia is approx 30k people per year, and that’s with the vaccinations.

The outbreaks are very similar to Covid, the highest amount being in care homes, nearly seventy percent, with schools, prisons, etc making up the rest. Flu also mutates every year. The fatalities are elderly or those with underlying conditions.

However we are not in lock down because of the flu. We understand who is at risk and vaccinate them, and we accept th death levels, and we get about our business. Vaccinated Covid will likely become like seasonal flu. In fact it’s likely it could be a double vaccine.

Once the vulnerable, like the flu, are vaccinated, then life can go back to normal. However if the flu was today unvaccinated we would also be in lockdown, as it is much much more deadly than Covid.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/01/2021 19:28

That @Bluntness100

Once covid is no longer novel, once we have a number of proven ways to vaccinate against it. THEN we can consign it to 'another flu like thing' and accept the death rate, as we do flu death rate, without fear of drowning the NHS.

ineedaholidaynow · 05/01/2021 19:28

My DH was happy he didn't have to go to any tedious work Christmas networking events this year, and everyone else he spoke to said the same. Think some things will disappear for good.

the80sweregreat · 05/01/2021 19:29

JVT tried to make it all easier to understand but CW is a bit more straightforwards.
Just different deliveries of the same messages.
It's not easy as much of it is beyond most people : I listened to a scientist on tv explain how the vaccines work and what is in them and I found it hard to follow.
I haven't a scientific mind at all although I got the jist of it , I didn't find it east to follow.
They probably know we will live this way for another year or more , but they can't say it like that and have to keep a lot back I'm sure. Plus politicians are trying to be positive so we don't get ' lockdown fatigue' , but it's not easy.

emptydreamer · 05/01/2021 19:29

As I wrote in another thread, people have to remember the flu has a ten percent death rate unvaccinated, much higher than Covid.
This is simply not true. The majority of countries in the world do not vaccinate against the seasonal flu Hmm

CrocodilesCry · 05/01/2021 19:29

He was really clear that the virus should do the "heavy lifting" or at least "most of the heavy lifting" to stop the spread.

But he did add that as the virus is suited to spreading in winter (like other respiratory viruses) that there may be some need for other curbs.
But that hopefully vaccinations would be enough.

It's really clear what he said and nobody should be catastrophising.

ItsNotGreenItsBlue · 05/01/2021 19:30

Well that’s the straw that’s broke the camels back for me, can’t do this anymore, time to call it quits

the80sweregreat · 05/01/2021 19:32

@ineedaholidaynow

My DH was happy he didn't have to go to any tedious work Christmas networking events this year, and everyone else he spoke to said the same. Think some things will disappear for good.
I also think things will just disappear. Nightclubs will be a thing of the past. Pubs will just be eateries. The high street will change so much. It already has but even more so.
MrsBlue4 · 05/01/2021 19:32

At what point are people going to say "no". Being locked up for a year and beyond for a virus with a similar fatality rate as flu. This is beyond comprehension.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/01/2021 19:32

The majority of countries in the world do not vaccinate against the seasonal flu That's pretty much repeated with most vaccines... lack of programme and/or high % of take up! But the WHO are still working to push the rates higher...

Forgetmenot157 · 05/01/2021 19:33

Also to the idiots saying Boris said schools may not go back this year.... That's totally taken out of context....

Stupid journos ask the question and want him to say something they can stab him in the back with later on.... Of course he can't promise they will go back... What if the virus mutated and became 20 times more deadly...

Pathetic journalism and a pathetic response from people!

EngineeringFix · 05/01/2021 19:34

The 2 percent figure comes from random sampling not driven by symptoms. Don't panic about hidden asymptomatics!

ineedaholidaynow · 05/01/2021 19:34

@the80sweregreat the high street was already starting to change pre-COVID but lockdown has just moved it on a bit quicker

emptydreamer · 05/01/2021 19:35

@CuriousaboutSamphire
My point was that no, the seasonal flu does not have an "unvaccinated" 10% death rate as confidently stated by the poster above. Yes, it is a significant cause of annual deaths, but no, nowhere close to 10% fatality.

knittingaddict · 05/01/2021 19:35

Theres no need for panic, but we need to be prepared to collectively say "no".

They are absoutely preparing us, telling us, how it's going to be.

No need to get the placards out just yet PicsInRed. This is just another worst case scenario thread designed to depress us. Lets just get through this winter first shall we.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/01/2021 19:36

Stupid journos ask the question and want him to say something they can stab him in the back with later on. Yes. Listen back to Peston's last question, complete with underlining head shake. There is no answer to such questions, they are a waste of breath... and most of the prime time journos waste a lot of breath!

Coquohvan · 05/01/2021 19:37

Must remember anonymous posters on here are actual qualified scientists who know better! Or think they do!
Prof Whitty has always been a clear voice delivered in a calm true and informative way.

LondonFE · 05/01/2021 19:37

98% of people don't have it
The average age of a Covid fatality is 82+
The NHS have a winter crisis every year

We've been locked up for a year, deprived of our families and friend and our children have been deprived an education.