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What online provision is your primary giving?

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WhatWillSantaBring · 05/01/2021 14:28

My primary is stating that it is complying with DfE minimum guidance. We are getting worksheets and lesson plans uploaded, links to online lessons (from third parties) and one zoom call a week.

Am i being unreasonable to expect more? The KS1 lessons need almost permanent adult support and the lesson plans are really hard for me (as a non-teacher) to follow.

If it makes a difference, we're in an affluent area, the school is a pretty well funded faith school. I know we're on day 1 but I want to know whether we should be asking for better.

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Strawberrypancakes · 06/01/2021 16:54

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listsandbudgets · 06/01/2021 17:01

@Shinyletsbebadguys

I will say the oak academy maths lesson chosen for ds1 yesterday and today was beyond dire. The teacher was awful. I have written and delivered online and video training so I do understand it is hard but my God. Fingers crossed they move to a different unit soon.
God yes.. I listened to one of the ones they did on Norman history during last lockdown. It was certainly informative but it was delivered in such a manner that my attention wandered after less than 3 minutesand my degree is in history It was aimed at year 3s.

There was nothing wrong with the academic content to be fair but engaging it was not

SpaceRaiders · 06/01/2021 17:13

If this thread is anything to go by, it very much depends on the school, the delivery of the teaching staff and availability of funding. Without consistency and a standardised approach, it’s no wonder state school pupils are being left behind.

I have to say our primary school has made a vast improvement since the first lockdown. But it’s no where near what the kids would be doing at school. Although the teacher is amazing and very engaging with the children I don’t feel work is being differentiated. Dc Y4, whilst bright will happily coast.

Dc2 Y2 has just got a whole bag of activities, 13 reading books, English, Maths, Literacy workbooks, printed sheets, experimental stuff for science, and they’re expected to be in “lessons” dressed in uniform, between 8.30-3.30. Meanwhile in dc 1’s class half the children don’t turn up for afternoon lessons and it’s only the second day!

Powerof4 · 06/01/2021 17:40

Ours is well organised, but basically just 3 twinkl worksheets a day and a 2 minute video on a good day. This is for Reception. Other than that, zero teacher contact. Frankly, I’m unimpressed.

CornishYarg · 06/01/2021 18:02

God yes.. I listened to one of the ones they did on Norman history during last lockdown. It was certainly informative but it was delivered in such a manner that my attention wandered after less than 3 minutesand my degree is in history It was aimed at year 3s.

I think I listened to it too; certainly remember some lessons about 1066 that were delivered very slowly with loads of pauses. I also really enjoy history too and the content was fine, but the delivery wasn't engaging.

ichundich · 06/01/2021 18:10

I have to disagree on Oak Acedemy. Overall I find it very good and like how it's organised into topics and each lesson includes a worksheet and / or a quiz before and after. It's been our life saver since the provision from our school has been nothing but dire. I will pull them up on it this time, if it continues. Thank you @Marshmallow for sharing the guidelines.

EloraaDanan · 06/01/2021 18:17

Not read the comments yet but I’ve been sent here for some support. Tonight I am stressed to the point of tears. Below is what I posted to another thread:

“ Nope. Nothing. Just worksheets posted on Google classrooms, some of which can’t be edited to turn in and the format constantly jumbling things up or losing what she’s typed. Everything she has turned in hasn’t been looked at yet.

I feel so deflated for her tonight. DD is a child that loves to learn and since the last lockdown she is rapidly losing the motivation and confidence, I fear this will just finish it all of completely. I want to start supplanting what they’re putting online with mor engaging activities but the teacher hasn’t posted anything for tomorrow yet so I can’t plan.

Before I get jumped on, this isn’t teacher bashing, this is how it is for us and I feel let down.”

EloraaDanan · 06/01/2021 18:21

She’s in year 3 btw. Small village school. I’m a keyworker but DH is self employed from home (also working flat out) and I’m seriously just thinking of sending her in and taking a keyworker place. It’s got to be better than this.

I know I’m pouring my heart out now in such an unmumsnetty way but I can’t just stop crying over the fact that she has such high hopes and ambitions for the future but her love for education is just going to get killed off through this.

Off to pull myself together now.....

MarshaBradyo · 06/01/2021 18:24

Elora hi send her in

3littlewords · 06/01/2021 18:32

@EloraaDanan

She’s in year 3 btw. Small village school. I’m a keyworker but DH is self employed from home (also working flat out) and I’m seriously just thinking of sending her in and taking a keyworker place. It’s got to be better than this.

I know I’m pouring my heart out now in such an unmumsnetty way but I can’t just stop crying over the fact that she has such high hopes and ambitions for the future but her love for education is just going to get killed off through this.

Off to pull myself together now.....

It depends what education the school is offering compared to home learning, ours is offering the same to both sets. Those who are in school log in to teams via the classroom and receive the exact same learning from the teacher online with a TA in the classroom for support. You may find she spends a lot of time colouring in or free time tasks than getting more learning than what's on offer at home.
EloraaDanan · 06/01/2021 18:39

Yeah I’m thinking this’ll be the case @3littlewords. She went in for some of the last time schools were closed and that’s what it was but it’s the social aspect I’m worried about. Surely it’s better for her to be happy interacting with other kids whilst doing work she hates rather than being lonely at home with work she hates.

EloraaDanan · 06/01/2021 18:40

Going to give it until next week @MarshaBradyo and if no improvement I think I’ll send her in.

Parker231 · 06/01/2021 18:48

Saw this on a Facebook page. Very true.

Dear Parents and Carers,
Lots of people are feeling stressed, overwhelmed and under pressure by everything that's happening. This includes the work being sent home for your child. I wanted to just give my perspective on it all as a Headteacher and I hope this can help with that somewhat.

A few points to note first:

  1. This is not homeschooling. This is an unprecedented emergency situation impacting on the whole world. Let's keep perspective. Homeschooling is a choice, where you considered, you plan for it and you are your child's school teacher in whatever form you choose. This is, at best, distance learning. In reality, it's everyone trying to separate their bums from their elbows, because none of us know what we're doing and what's right and wrong here.

  2. You are, and always have been, your child's primary educator. If you decide that your child isn't going to engage with anything sent home and is going to spend the entire period playing in the dirt, or baking, or watching TV, then that is your choice. That is your right. There is nothing to stress or feel guilty about.

  3. Schools don't know what they're doing either. They had no notice, no preparation time and we were NOT told to 'continue to plan lessons as normal and just send them home' – that’s NOT possible. If it were, we'd all be out of a job!

  4. It is absolutely not possible to facilitate distance learning with a primary aged child and work from home at the same time. The very idea is nonsense. If you're trying to do that, stop now. You can certainly have activities where your child learns, but your focus is your job, and survival. Again, unprecedented. Stop trying to be superheroes.

So, a few FAQs:

  • My school has sent home lots of physical work. Pages and pages, hours and hours. How am I supposed to get through it all?!

You're not, don't try. Your child's teacher spent a couple of hours in utter panic gathering things to send home so they could say they did their best and there wasn't a lot of complaints that enough didn't go home. It's not a competition, or a race, it’s unlikely the teacher will even manage to look at it all.

  • My school keeps sending home links and emails with more work. How do I make it stop? Ahhhhhh!

See above. These are suggestions and ideas because the school is worried they're not offering enough. Use them if they suit you, don't if they don't suit. If you're getting stressed, stop opening the emails. No one will know!

  • Someone in my child's class has everything done and we've barely started. Will they fall behind?

Even if everything were equal in terms of support, time and number of children (which it’s not) all children learn at different rates. In the class there's a wide range of levels in all subjects, there's different paces and there are many children working on differentiated levels of work. It's almost impossible for teachers to differentiate at the moment, so you don’t have to do it either.

Your child will not fall behind. This is all revision and reminder work. If children could all learn new concepts without specific teaching, we wouldn't need teachers. They will cover all of this again, multiple times.

  • I'm not doing any work with my kids. All they're doing is building Lego, cooking and playing outside.

All of this is learning -very valuable learning. Give yourself and them a break.

  • How can I get three different lots of work done with 3 different kids of different ages?

You can't, stop trying. If they're old enough, try to get them to do little bits independently. Otherwise try to do something they can all engage with, reading a story together, some free writing, baking etc.

  • So what's the bare minimum you'd expect?

For me, survival mode. I won't pretend that may be true of all teachers, but you know what?, if they can't have perspective in a time like this then I wouldn't overly worry about their opinion anyway.

My ideal for the children in our school?

  • A bit of reading every day (independent or to them or via audiobook etc)
  • Some free writing now and then. If they'll keep a diary or something, great. If not, would they draw a comic?
  • Practical hands on maths. Be that via cooking, cleaning, outside or some maths games, physical or digital.
  • Some fine motor work. Lego, cutting, playdough, tidying up small toys.
  • Physical exercise everyday
  • Some art/music where possible through the week. Doesn't need to be guided.

-Stretch goal, if old enough getting them to independently work on a project is great for keeping brains ticking over. Get them researching in a book or online and putting together something to present to you or family.

  • If younger, lots of imaginative free play, the more independent the better.

You are doing enough. You are loving your kids and supporting them through a difficult time. Look after yourself. Minimising stress is absolutely vital in a time like this for mental health. Don't let this be something that stresses you. Only you can control that by accepting it is in your circle of control, you are the primary educator and this is all your call.

Apologies, this post is much longer than anticipated!

MarshaBradyo · 06/01/2021 18:50

@EloraaDanan

Going to give it until next week *@MarshaBradyo* and if no improvement I think I’ll send her in.
Good idea. If you have the option take it.

Also it might be more teaching than last time as the curriculum was suspended then

3littlewords · 06/01/2021 19:14

@EloraaDanan

Yeah I’m thinking this’ll be the case *@3littlewords*. She went in for some of the last time schools were closed and that’s what it was but it’s the social aspect I’m worried about. Surely it’s better for her to be happy interacting with other kids whilst doing work she hates rather than being lonely at home with work she hates.
Does she have facetime she can use to contact 1 or 2 friends who are also at home who she can chat too whilst they do the work together. Not as good as f2f contact obviously but might be worth a try. My DS does this sometimes , all sat doing their work but chatting as if they were sat on the same table in the classroom
ceeveebee · 06/01/2021 19:17

@happymummy12345

Oh and I've just found out we also have a meeting at midday as well
Your schedule sounds spookily identical to my DCs school....are you in the north west by any chance?
CarolEffingBaskin · 06/01/2021 19:25

Apparently, one google meet a week, and 3 pieces of work a day, which will be responded to the day after.

I’m glad of the marking, because last time we may as well not have bothered with work at all.

I am not impressed with 15 mins a week of video call. But then, our school is one where ‘key’ worker families have royally taken the piss, so the rest of the kids will just have to suffer.

Ibizababyy · 06/01/2021 19:33

I’m appalled to be honest. Despite the provision being surprisingly very good in November when the class isolated for 2 weeks. Today we received nothing until 11am when we got a dojo message to say the class teacher was ill and the one covering would send some work soon. I know thin gas are tough and there is little guidance but they could at least have messaged at 9am to explain there had been a teacher go sick and so there would be a delay. It would have avoided my 5 year old sitting ready and waiting and waiting and waiting. He has been super emotional all day today over nothing and I know it’s because of all this upheaval. The least they could do is communicate effectively.

Zoomaway · 06/01/2021 19:40

After being utterly disappointed from March - July, our primary have totally sorted themselves out this time.
Y4 dd had 3 zoom teacher-led sessions today on maths, English and a story / catch up session to finish. We had to print the worksheets to complete and then upload the finished work after.
Secondary has been great too - all normal timetable on Teams.

WhatWillSantaBring · 07/01/2021 11:29

This has been really interesting. I'm not interested in teacher bashing at all (and that was not the intent of the thread) - I think teachers are incredible generally, and some have shown themselves to be outstanding in the past 10 months.

What I wanted to know, and what this has shown me, is whether we are OK to expect more from our school than we had last time or not. To be clear, I'm giving them at least till next week to see how it pans out, and I know that whatever solution they provide will not please everyone.

What makes me frustrated is that, because you have to put the provision in the hands of individual heads, who know their schools the best, it also means that provision varies massively, meaning that there will inevitably be some kids that will be left behind - whether that's the disengaged parent (whether they be too busy working or just feckless, or both!) or the child whose parent is trying really hard, but doesn't have the skills needed to help the child, or the child who (like @EloraaDanan) is desperate to learn but is becoming disheartended because they're not getting what they need. And that breaks my heart.

I know we're asking a lot of teachers, and that they are going to be have to work so hard to make this work, and I realise that some of them are already working their socks off; but I think it's important to remember that a lot of people are working their socks off in this pandemic.

I have no agenda - I just want what's best for the children (not just mine), and I think some of them are being badly let down.

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RedToothBrush · 07/01/2021 11:38

@Ibizababyy

I’m appalled to be honest. Despite the provision being surprisingly very good in November when the class isolated for 2 weeks. Today we received nothing until 11am when we got a dojo message to say the class teacher was ill and the one covering would send some work soon. I know thin gas are tough and there is little guidance but they could at least have messaged at 9am to explain there had been a teacher go sick and so there would be a delay. It would have avoided my 5 year old sitting ready and waiting and waiting and waiting. He has been super emotional all day today over nothing and I know it’s because of all this upheaval. The least they could do is communicate effectively.
Today we received nothing until 11am when we got a dojo message to say the class teacher was ill and the one covering would send some work soon.

So you are complaining that the school is unstaffed rather than because of the work.

Ffs if you can't cut the school / teacher slack for illness during a flipping pandemic in the first week of being dumped on at great height by the department of education.

Parker231 · 07/01/2021 11:52

I would imagine if a teacher is off sick and another is covering, that teacher is doing two classes and therefore it’s unreasonable to expect the level of work you would like.

MarshaBradyo · 07/01/2021 11:55

Op it’s a good thread

Ours has improved and I’m fine with provision now. Happy that it’s not live.

But I’d say that after waiting if you want to approach school using guidelines as basis that’s fine

pinkunicornwithacatonitsback · 07/01/2021 12:39

Ours has come back and reiterated that there will be no live learning and that work should only be uploaded if there is a problem because the teachers are inundated. Yet we were told if we didn’t upload at least one thing every two days we would be contacted to find out why

So not only are they not teaching they are also not checking that work has even been completed correctly

starrynight19 · 07/01/2021 20:26

@Ibizababyy

I’m appalled to be honest. Despite the provision being surprisingly very good in November when the class isolated for 2 weeks. Today we received nothing until 11am when we got a dojo message to say the class teacher was ill and the one covering would send some work soon. I know thin gas are tough and there is little guidance but they could at least have messaged at 9am to explain there had been a teacher go sick and so there would be a delay. It would have avoided my 5 year old sitting ready and waiting and waiting and waiting. He has been super emotional all day today over nothing and I know it’s because of all this upheaval. The least they could do is communicate effectively.
Wow , let’s hope the class teacher hasn’t got covid and is seriously ill Hmm