To expect to be able to choose not to have the vaccine without being made to feel uncomfortable? *edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

[Drogonssmile]

Risking a flaming here:

I work in the NHS not patient facing. Our Trust has said all non frontline staff are likely to be offered the vaccine next week. (1000 staff have already been done which is brilliant!)

I'm a fit and healthy 39 year old with no underlying health conditions. I am not an anti vaxxer however I am concerned about the lack of long term research that has understandably not been able to be done on the vaccine and have made an informed decision that I probably won't have it. I'd prefer my dose to go to someone more vulnerable. I believe this should be my choice.
My colleague is 62 and is all for having the vaccine which is great. I said I probably wouldn't as it doesn't affect transmission only the severity of the illness. Now she isn't speaking to me.
AIBU?

(Also given the amount of setbacks and govt lies/omissions in the last 10 months I wouldn't be at all surprised if the vaccine isn't the silver bullet we've been told to expect. The way things are going I can see is in the same situation in 12 months time).

My mum won't be having the vaccination either. but in her case it's because she's violently allergic to the flu vaccine and her doctor has advised it wouldn't be safe for her to have it. so she is now accepting that she may have to be shielding for a very long time.

If you can have it you should have it to protect those, like my mum, who can't.

" and has killed some people "

Oh COME ON Mumsnet - you can't let this stand -surely!!

Oh and got to love the secret conspiracy vaccine cover ups, not reported in the mainstream media and yet somehow everyone knows about it.

@Meadow1203

I support you too OP. Your choice totally. This Vaccine has not been tested and has killed some people also has had some alarming side effects, of course we are not told about this in the mainstream media. I am not an anti Vax my children had all their jabs but this is too risky in my opinion for virus that has only killed 388 people under the age of 60 with no underlying health condition.

This Vaccine has not been tested

My friend, if you're going to make things up, at least go for less immediately disprovable bullshit.

has killed some people

This sort of assertion needs a reliable source to back it up, which I am sure you have to hand?

also has had some alarming side effects

Again, your evidence will be welcome here.

Whilst I realise my comment about paying for own treatment should you contract covid was stupid. And I apologise. Would you still wear a mask op?

I don’t know what will happen to mask wearing once vaccines are completed

But will those not vaccinated continue to SD, wear a mask....

But will those not vaccinated continue to SD, wear a mask....

No, not once restrictions have lifted.

@DayBath

OP you're a coward for not enabling voting.

Apologies I can't from the app. Fairly obvious what the consensus is, no?

@Meadow1203 has been misreading the Daily Mail I fear!

Stats are incorrectly stated - not even as stated in the DM or other newspapers of the same day

Assumptions are incorrrect.

It is distinctly in the same vein as the posting the government are considering having removed from social media!

I won't report it, as I think that debunking it is more useful. But I would understand if some did!

On a side note I wonder how employers will handle anti vaxxers. As they are potentially unsafe and a risk to other staff there is an argument they cannot be in the workplace.

I guess it will come down to individual employers, potentially some government guidance. On one side people have a right to not have the vaccine. On the other people have a right to a safe work environment and not to be with people who knowingly chose to put them at risk.

I think ultimately it will need to come down to anti vaxxers are not allowed into normal work spaces, as the right to a safe work environment will always top a persons right to be unsafe in that environment and put others at risk.

Freedom of choice blah blah freedom of choice blah blah etc etc twat twat.

I’m sick of fucking hearing it.

I've reported it - even Trump can't get away with blatant and dangerous lies - which might worry vulnerable people.

If your colleague is not speaking to you they are being ridiculous

I don't worry about the outright lying so much. I'd much rather have that bullshit see some light and get shot down.

I work in a care home. We have about 35 staff. 95% of staff are under 30. We have about 10 that want the vaccine and 25 that don’t. About 20 are adamant they will never have it and the other 5 are “waiting to see”

So I think you’ll find that the narrative you are getting on here that not vaccinating is unusual is wrong.

The younger people are far less inclined than the over 30’s.

Before you all speak about our service users rights, we woke in a specialist unit with 10 clients.
4 of the parents are adamant that the service users should not be vaccinated OR tested.
Some are not under parent supervision so the state will make that decision. Only one parent is asking for their child to be vaccinated.
We have one manager that is dying for the vaccine and another that is going to “wait”

What you all THINK is going on out there or how you all THINK this is going to pan out is not necessarily true at all.

There are at least 10 staff members who are adamant that should the jab become compulsory in healthcare settings only then they would leave the profession immediately.

@Bluntness100

On a side note I wonder how employers will handle anti vaxxers. As they are potentially unsafe and a risk to other staff there is an argument they cannot be in the workplace.

I guess it will come down to individual employers, potentially some government guidance. On one side people have a right to not have the vaccine. On the other people have a right to a safe work environment and not to be with people who knowingly chose to put them at risk.

I think ultimately it will need to come down to anti vaxxers are not allowed into normal work spaces, as the right to a safe work environment will always top a persons right to be unsafe in that environment and put others at risk.

I've got a meeting with my manager this afternoon. I'm going to ask if it's compulsory.

@TheOrigRights

BAME and CEV staff have already been done.

How are they selecting BAME people? Is it self-id?

Surely that is massively discriminatory. Why should non BAME be lower priority in the list. In the battle against covid all lives matter.

@Abouttimemum

Freedom of choice blah blah freedom of choice blah blah etc etc twat twat.

I’m sick of fucking hearing it.

You're sick of hearing freedom of choice?!

I agree with you OP and would not choose to have the vaccine either.

Wow you are lucky to be offered it so soon. I am also non frontline NHS. And expect to be waiting my turn along with everyone else. Which is ok. So yes you are being unreasonable. Every vaccine helps.

I dont think it is compulsory op, that’s the wrong question. No one can force you to habe the vaccine. That would be illegal.

The right question is if you choose to remain unvaccinated will you be able to be in your work environment as normal?

Surely that is massively discriminatory. Why should non BAME be lower priority in the list. In the battle against covid all lives matter A joke, yes?!?!?!

@Bluntness100

I dont think it is compulsory op, that’s the wrong question. No one can force you to habe the vaccine. That would be illegal.

The right question is if you choose to remain unvaccinated will you be able to be in your work environment as normal?

Then I shall ask that

@nopeaceforthewicked

I'm horrified (but not surprised) that non frontline workers are being offered it for no other reason than they work for the nhs.

OP no idea what you do but there's plenty in the nhs who are at no greater risk than anyone else, and significantly less than shop workers, or dare I say it, teachers.

But the NHS is run by the back room people needed to keep it going - ordering supplies, paying invoices so supplies keep coming, working in kitchens to make food for patients, doing building maintenance so the lights - and oxygen - stay on, and thousands of other supporting roles. If all those people are off sick with Covid or self isolating for 10 days, then medical staff can’t do their thing. Like a beehive, all the roles are needed to keep it running. Just because they’re not on the frontline doesn’t mean they’re not essential to services running.

If you want to be special, you have to be prepared to be treated specially.

This with bells on

of course we are not told about this in the mainstream media

Within an hour of getting on the internet today I've learned that people are dying and that it's being covered up by the mainstream media, that people are NOT dying and that it's being covered up by the mainstream media, that our hospitals are full of gravely ill with Covid children and that it's being covered up by the mainstream media, and that it's all a big economic war to get us all to accept bitcoin and give up physical currency and that it's being covered up by the mainstream media.

I'm going to put the kettle on.