To expect to be able to choose not to have the vaccine without being made to feel uncomfortable? *edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

[Drogonssmile]

Risking a flaming here:

I work in the NHS not patient facing. Our Trust has said all non frontline staff are likely to be offered the vaccine next week. (1000 staff have already been done which is brilliant!)

I'm a fit and healthy 39 year old with no underlying health conditions. I am not an anti vaxxer however I am concerned about the lack of long term research that has understandably not been able to be done on the vaccine and have made an informed decision that I probably won't have it. I'd prefer my dose to go to someone more vulnerable. I believe this should be my choice.
My colleague is 62 and is all for having the vaccine which is great. I said I probably wouldn't as it doesn't affect transmission only the severity of the illness. Now she isn't speaking to me.
AIBU?

(Also given the amount of setbacks and govt lies/omissions in the last 10 months I wouldn't be at all surprised if the vaccine isn't the silver bullet we've been told to expect. The way things are going I can see is in the same situation in 12 months time).

As someone who has transfered ventilated "normally fit and well" 40 year old between hospitals due to there being no beds, I think you are stupid. We have a saying in the ambulance service "you can't treat stupid".

it doesn't affect transmission only the severity of the illness

This is incorrect. Early indications are it may reduce transmission by around two thirds iirc.

So YABU.

Firstly, you aren't being discriminated against.

Secondly, if you make the choice not to be vaccinated then don't be surprised if your life choices end up being limited

Finally, you sound entitled.

If you think this is discrimination you're in for a rude awakening. Someone having an opinion about your self serving attitude is not discrimination.

Discrimination would be for the NHS to turn around and say that all suitable staff i.e. not vaccination exempt for health reasons offered the vaccine who decline will not be paid any sick leave in association with covid related illness.

YABU

i think you are being ridiculous and showing a fundamental lack of understanding about the development and licensing of the vaccine. I probably wouldn't speak to you either

Its everyone's decision to have the vaccine or not. I'd imagine they can move you away from people who are at risk though.

@TillysMum02 As far as having to pay for your own treatment if you get it. Sure, I'll pay for my treatment for covid. If every smoker pays for their own treatment, every sunbed user, every overweight and obese person, every drug user, every hiker pays for their rescue, same for swimmers surfers etc. Why should anyone get free (at point of use, because I pay a shit tonne of tax for these services) care when they've made a decision that results in needing care? Oh and dont forget the people who chose to have kids and need support from the government to feed, educate and house them.

Nobody should have to put anything in their body for the sake of anybody else.

I'd prefer my dose to go to someone more vulnerable

It's more likely to just end up in the bin if you don't take it.

It's probably not that you aren't getting it, but just you said it doesn't affect transmission only symptoms. That's the kind of stupid statement that means people have to focus on not eye rolling or patronising you, making it hard to carry on the conversation.

Not being in a position to research transmission rates, does not mean that there is a reason to think that in this case immunity will behave differently to every other infectious disease/vaccine we respond to or differently to coronaviruses in all other mammals. It will almost definitely stop transmission, but scientists are more cautious with their claims than politicians.

To also claim the moral high ground, by saying it should go to someone else, honestly, you came across badly here. What could she say to that?

I don't think your decision is as informed as you think it is. Unless you know more than the UK medicines regulator?

An informed decision?

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Can you outline briefly the usual steps in preparing pharmaceutical products for public release that you believe have been missed?

YABU.

How are you being ‘discriminated against’? You are entitled to refuse to be vaccinated, and to accept any consequences of that decision. Your colleague is entitled to disapprove of your decision, and to make you aware of her disapproval.

If every smoker pays for their own treatment

The tax take for tobacco products is far, far more than the cost to the NHS of treating smoking related illnesses, so we already do :)

Ok fair enough, IABU.

Discriminated was the wrong choice of word for which I apologise.

I am not bothered if people have it not not, it personal choice but of all the reasons for not having it I haven't seen anyone not want it on ethical or animal cruelly grounds. I did have a Google on how animals were used in development of the vaccine and I wish to god I hadn't. The suffering! Are all vegetarians/vegans etc refusing on welfare grounds and will certain religions refuse on religious grounds and alot of vaccines are not kosher/halal.
Appreciate off topic to ops post but done know who to create a thread and its something I have been thinking about

Discrimination? Try using a dictionary, you clearly don't understand the meaning of the word.

Instead of being so ignorant & saying you don't understand something, try doing some research, or at the very least post a thread asking the question as you seem to have missed the 20 million posts explaining it already.

You're allowed to choose to be selfish & an
Idiot because we don't have mandatory vaccination here, but just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

They don't know fir certain if it'll stop transmission, but there's reason to believe it will, but even if it doesn't, it protects others & stops you using a hospital bed & NHS Staff to treat you.

Personally I'm hoping people will have to be vaccinated in order to be able to get on flights / ferries etc in the future. I think it is very selfish to not get it.

If you're in your 30's you probably won't get it until next summer anyway.

Can I ask why you're even being offered it if you're not frontline? I thought the guideline said specifically front line.

Join. Ha workers for choice, no restrictions on FB. You will find people to chat with about this issue. Don’t ask Mumsnetters, they’re highly neurotic.

Wherever your reasons. No one can force you and if you do not want to have it do not have it.

• nhs workers

I don't think you should be bullied at work for exercising bodily autonomy, no.

I won't be having the vaccine but I also won't be telling people.

@nopeaceforthewicked

Can I ask why you're even being offered it if you're not frontline? I thought the guideline said specifically front line.

I have no idea. I'm assuming the Trust have a certain number and once frontline staff are done they will be offering to everyone. BAME and CEV staff have already been done.

Yanbu. Some of the analogies statements here are ridiculous.

Be prepared to be treated differently...
Pay for your own treatment...

Yeah, cos these apply in other circumstances don't they. Don't hear anyone here saying that if you choose to be overwoeght/smoke/alcoholic pay for your own treatment or expect to be judged.

Yanbu. But I wouldn't tell people because you'll get abuse like this. People want out of this so badly that they dont want to acknowledge that people have been dangerously ill in medical trials even fairly recently.

all VapeVamp12 This won’t be happening. You will find that they will ask for a PCR that is negative. The vaccine is not compulsory.