To think that not everyone is scared

[loveisagirlnameddaisy]

Of catching Covid....?

I'm sure I'll be flamed to within an inch of my life but never mind. And yes, this thread may have been done to death before but hey ho.

Having read countless threads today about schools closing/not closing and cases rocketing/going down, can I get a sense check of who is terrified about catching Covid (and why) and who is not?

For balance, I also read a thread the other day from a person who is clinically vulnerable and whose DH had just tested positive and she was terrified. Almost the entire thread was filled by other clinically vulnerable people who had had Covid and told her not to worry.

So, while we can all agree that yes, this is a novel virus and yes, people will die because that happens with any virus, is this the virus which we should all be terrified of?

@AcornAutumn

Guylan "Studies suggest my dear mum at age 75 has a 1 in 10 chance of dying should she get it so worried for her"

Do you have a link fo a study that says this? It sounds highly unlikely.

I saw attached graph in Nature www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02483-2

But more googling shows lower IFR. CNN reported this in September from CDC:

“ According to the updated “best estimate” numbers posted on the agency’s website:
0.003% of children 18 and younger who are infected with coronavirus die.
The fatality rate is 0.02% of people aged 20 to 49.
0.5% of people aged 50 to 69.
5.4% of people 70 and older.”

edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-09-11-20-intl/h_62d0c1784b6965c6dd3cff51980670ed

So you are right definitely lower than 1 in 10. Above would be roughly 1 in 20 but since seen IFR 5% for 80 and over, so lower again. All crude figures.

@AcornAutumn, sorry forgot to tag you above.

We live with my parents and I’m scared of passing it on to them. I’m not especially scared of getting it myself. I’ve had a lot of sleepless nights about the other consequences of the pandemic, but not one about the illness itself!

Also how heigh is the death rate (really) as I have heard if someone dies of say heart attack they are still putting covid as cause of death.

@Doimatter, I will copy and paste what I have written elsewhere on this

“ There still seems confusion by some on how Covid 19 death figures are . recorded. Govt daily figures are tallied by counting anyone who has died within 28 days of a positive CoVid test. ONS use death certificates and also separately look at excess deaths. Figures fairly similar for all 3.

Death certificates have two parts, part 1 the underlying cause of death, part 2 any conditions that may have contributed to the death. The conditions mentioned in part two must be known or suspected to have contributed to the death, not merely be other conditions which were present at the time.

Part 1 lists the underlying cause where you are asked to start with the immediate, direct cause of death on the first line of part 1 then quoting from link below: ‘to go back through the sequence of events or conditions that led to death on subsequent lines, until you reach the one that started the fatal sequence. If the certificate has been completed properly, the condition on the lowest completed line of part I will have caused all of the conditions on the lines above it. This initiating condition, on the lowest line of part I will usually be selected as the underlying cause of death, following the ICD coding rules.” Full details here: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf

ONS last mortality monthly update shared as of November 2020 58,977 deaths had coronavirus listed as the underlying cause of death. ONS have also calculated elsewhere so far approx a further 10% of deaths listed coronavirus as a contributing factor in the death.
Details here: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020#deaths-due-to-covid-19-registered-in-november-2020

So as of today in UK 79,351 deaths have been registered with COVID as involved in the death. About 90% of these will be with COVID as the underlying cause, not just a contributing factor. So approx 10% of these COVID deaths (roughly 8,000) will have COVID mentioned as a contributing factor but not the underlying cause of death.”

I'm just accepting it now. I was scared back in March, living on my own, mother in a care home, Dad living abroad. This year I've dealt with various health issues, had my birthday alone, have been alone over Xmas & New Year. It's been pretty shitty but you plod on.
With each day that goes by, I'm so relieved I don't have children. Those of my neighbours just look so down. They always slouch around anyway, teenagers trying to look cool, but it's no longer an act. They're despondent, any idiot can see it.
There's fuck all anyone can do about it - it's a virus. We can take evasive measures but if you're going to get it, you'll get it.
I worry about family members but I take each day as it comes. I've not listened to the news or daily briefings since April as it's all a load of bollocks. I can catch up on what I need from the news apps on my phone.
I'm more concerned about post-Brexit UK.

*Without wanting to pour fuel on a fire, if these people were T2, then this is entirely reversible through diet.”

@hamstersarse, studies show it's possible for some people to reverse it through diet changes and weight loss, especially in early years of onset but far from all.

@LastTrainEast

Perhaps someone would like to start a petition to allow 'brave' people to be injected with covid to get it over with? Then you could just isolate for a fortnight and forget it. Some risk you might die but worth it for the children's future right?

I would do this if we’d admit that you can’t be infected twice and you do have immunity...but we won’t admit it so what’s the point?!!

@Guylan

*Without wanting to pour fuel on a fire, if these people were T2, then this is entirely reversible through diet.”

@hamstersarse, studies show it's possible for some people to reverse it through diet changes and weight loss, especially in early years of onset but far from all.

T2 is a lifestyle disease. It is reversible.

@Topsyturvy1

I lost my mother and father within 5 days of each other in the week leading up to Christmas to COVID. My mother was in the ITU and the majority of patients there on ventilators were ages 40-60 so it's made me a bit more paranoid that if I get it it could have a more serious effect on me

@Topsyturvy1, I am very sorry.

@hamstersarse, for some, but not all. Read some studies.

I'm not scared of the virus. I am scared of our government, scared of the shitstorm waiting for us on the other side of this, scared we have a huge battle to regain our liberties.

Ps that is reversible for some

[quote Guylan]@hamstersarse, for some, but not all. Read some studies.[/quote]
We’ll have to agree to disagree. Studies exist both ways.

Bad lifestyle causes it, specifically an over production of insulin due to excess frequent carbohydrate consumption and lack of exercise.

It can be reversed by doing the opposite.

We may disagree on the numbers of people who could reverse it but the point remains that we have done absolutely nothing to reduce the number of people (3.2 million) in that particular group.

To give an example to Guylan's post - person A died in a car accident, the injury which killed them was caused by the car accident. 16 days earlier they got a covid positive test result. The daily deaths record would include this person, however the ONS data would not and covid is not on their death certificate. Person B died from being unable to breath, they did not test positive for covid prior to death, their death would not show up on the daily deaths, however following PM, they were shown to have had covid, their death would feature on the ONS data and covid is on their death certificate. These are real life examples, where I registered their deaths.

[quote NovemberR]I think those people who aren't scared are people who blithely assume they will be ok if they catch it. And frankly, they might not.

I did not fall into the vulnerable category - but I now have long Covid and it's pretty awful. I wasn't worried about dying. But I'm now scared of living with this for years. I am utterly exhausted the entire time and have no energy to do anything. There are days when getting dressed has me weeping because it takes so much out of me that I have to crawl back into bed. That's honestly no way to live. THIS in my opinion is what people have to bear in mind, rather than dying - and I can utterly understand why many teachers feel that their work conditions are unsafe and don't want to risk becoming this ill. Why would they?

This is a really good article from the BMA if anyone is interested.

www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/doctors-with-long-covid[/quote]
This is me too. Caught it in March. My health long term has been massively affected and my eyesight (perfect before March) is now shocking. The exhaustion knows no bounds and I'm tired of being breathless walking up the stairs. No health conditions before and in 2021 I really hope I don't have to be hospitalised! I'm a teacher and I'm scared.

@GreenlandTheMovie

I'm not scared and suspect I've already had it.

I think the media and news channels in the UK deliberately report in a way designed to scare people into compliance. For instance, if the average age of death was given at the same time as the daily deaths figure, it would make things much less scary. Or if overall deaths were compared to the worst recent flu season. But they choose not to do so.

I think many in government are absolutely terrified - of being blamed for high death numbers and therefore making themselves unelectable in future.

This

I'm scared.

Both me and OH are CV.

The most likely way for the virus to infect us is through our child at school.

If we both get very I'll at the same time my child will have no one to look after him.

My OHs parents are in their 60s and have been very wary of covid all along (wouldn't even have people in their garden in summer when the rates were low) I don't blame them as they have underlying conditions. So they wouldn't have him.

My father is having chemo for stage 4 cancer so they couldn't have him.

SIL and my brother - lowish risk but have children in school so it would be problematic for them to have him.

I'm more scared about the effect of our illness and potential death on him, than I am of dying

I'm pretty laid back in general and haven't really been too worried about catching it myself (or my child/partner). There's not much we could do that we aren't already doing so no point worrying.

My dad is currently in hospital due to Covid complications though. And a friend has also had it badly (now recovered) so it's not something to be taken lightly.

I'm not scared either (I have also list 2 family members and three friends to it)
Fear doesn't help anyone , it's only destructive.
Just take reasonable precautions

Yep I’m scared. Asthma, repeated chest infections can have that affect on you. Got very ill in March. Doctor says Covid. After 8 week’s walking 15 minutes was difficult. Pretty much recovered after 12 weeks but lungs not the same and on stronger inhalers. No reliable tests then so am stuck ‘hoping’ it was Covid. God knows if this new strain means people can get it twice. I know two people with long Covid who are younger than me and using walking sticks to get around after 8 months.
Long Covid is a thing and it’s nasty.

I’m scared, why should I feel ashamed to admit it? I’m asthmatic and vitamin D deficient. I’m fucked if I get it. Long COVID pretty likely, no one yet knows the long term consequences of long COVID yet.
Plus if I die who looks after my kids and my mum who has dementia? I am much cheaper to keep alive.

I’m asthmatic and my son is too and he was previously in intensive care when he had the flu. We all had covid in our house and son sneezed a few times and that was it,
No cough or fever. The rest of us all had the whole range of symptoms and my breathing was bad for a couple of days but that was all. Mainly like a heavy cold for us.
I know of about 5 other families who are/were positive at the same time and the same for them

More scared now a healthy friend in their 30s is now in intensive care

@Newdonewhugh

I’m not scared, I think this is utter madness but I feel like I’m living in lonley world. Even my seemingly rational friends have lost the plot. Today is the first day Ive been stressed about covid but not about the deaths, more that I feel like I’m now living in a World that is never going to turn back! Anyone thinking a vaccine will work is m, IMO, mad. If it’s really as they say it is, the vaccine would be no more successful than the useless flu vaccine. As the whole worlds pinned their hopes on this, I now see this going on all year or more.

This. Sums this whole ridiculous situation up.

I'm not scared of it coming into our household, I'm very fed up of otherwise healthy adults wetting the bed over it and of the way the media seem to be scaring people into compliance.

I'm a bit concerned about my parents and how they'd fare if they got it - one with cancer at almost 70 who insists on still going into work every day; the other over 70 with lung disease. But they won't be governed by fear, so nor will I.