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NEU tells teachers not to go to work on Monday

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Workyticket · 02/01/2021 13:24

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BunsyGirl · 03/01/2021 09:43

@Barbie222 The petition that I have seen shared by a teacher specifically refers to online learning. That’s why I referred to it in my comment above.

I am quite aware of what the guidance says and I have commented on the shortcomings of online education on another thread.

SaltyAF · 03/01/2021 09:47

@BunsyGirl I don't represent my profession and in not interested in what you think.

Ginfizz2 · 03/01/2021 09:50

Sorry not read full thread but...
I’m a nurse and was anxious about my child going back to school tomorrow. When London schools confirmed closure I was relieved. As a key worker (also single parent with no contact with his father and elderly parents living the other end of the country) my child shall have to go to school the days I shall be working (we’ve been told to cancel any leave we had to work as much as we can atm). But yesterday I took my son to the park with his skateboard and a ball (we live in a high rise), he obviously wanted to go in the play park area but it was heaving and I said no. He was fine eventually and we just played football etc
Last term his school bubble was mixed with another bubble which lead to a period of isolation for him and me paying £300 in emergency childcare just to carry on working. I fully support teachers being safe at work and feel reassured that the days my child shall be at school there will be less children but from yesterday’s experience there is still a way to go. Where I live people don’t seem to care and just think their invincible and they’ll be fine etc.
I just truly hope this year is better than the last one.

caringcarer · 03/01/2021 09:52

@maladicta, why do you suppose children with additional needs can't wear masks? My foster son attends a special secondary school for children with moderate to sever learning disabilities. The children and staff have all worn masks both in corridors and classrooms all of the day except outdoor PE and outdoor break times since September. Windows are open in every classroom do children wear base layers and have been told to wear PE jogging kits as warmer for them. They only had 2 cases of Covid and so 2 bubbles doing home learning for 10 days each time. Children arrive at school wearing masks in minibus and taxis. Go into school wearing mask, wash hands supervised by a teacher wearing a mask. Go into registration classn still in mask. Children move to first lessons still in masks, etc etc. The very few who either cannot or won't wear a mask or are CEV (5) do home learning. This is done by 1 teacher who is CEV so wfh. Children all receive gel twice each morning and once after lunch every day. Just because children have additional needs does not mean they do understand safety or not wear masks because they do. It is up to Headteachers in all schools to ensure all students in schools wear masks to keep teachers safe and teachers wear masks to keep children safe. Hands should be washed, gel dolled out and windows open. My foster son had received email to say school will be open on September 5th and anyone who feels unwell or can't/won't wear mask will be home learning.

caringcarer · 03/01/2021 09:57

I keep reading teachers are banned from wearing PPE. Why? Who is banning them? No one is banning my foster sons school from all wearing PPE students and staff.

BunsyGirl · 03/01/2021 09:58

@SaltyAF Of course you represent your profession. One of the fundamental aspects of being a professional is the way you conduct yourself. If you are a qualified teacher and discuss issues in schools, you are representing your profession.

And your dismissive comments are telling. I gave you a very valid reason for why parents have lost trust and why I believe that this has resulted in “teacher bashing” but you are basically putting your fingers in your ears.

LolaSmiles · 03/01/2021 10:00

When schools were shut last year SOME teachers were arguing that they couldn’t provide online teaching for safeguarding reasons. I have now witnessed one of those teachers sharing a petition for schools to move to online learning. Is it any wonder there’s “teacher bashing” going on?!

The GOVERNMENT decided the curriculum was suspended.
As many of us said at the time, a school's ability to run remote learning is hugely variable and dependent on the school context.

Some schools I've worked in were schools where most children had access to an appropriate device to access online materials, if not live lessons. Other schools I've worked in moving to online learning, especially the holy grail of full time time of live lessons that some of here insisted on, would be the sort of move that would severely limit over half the school's ability to be educated.

On here there was a huge amount of complaining with very little consideration to the fact that schools are different, and there was a lot of 'but the private school the road does...' from posters who couldn't (read wouldn't) engage their brain to realise that the cohort and context of a private school differs from a state school.

Schools and teachers said that to run remote online learning effectively would require many families to be provided with devices and relevant internet connections. The government weren't forthcoming. The solution according to some on here was that teachers needed to think positively and ask the community to give them laptops. When the government finally announced a plan to provide devices, they offered a tiny fraction of what pupils needed and then headteachers were told they weren't going to get the number offered (remember already less than needed for pupils).

There were absolutely safeguarding concerns surrounding live teaching. As the situation developed schools found solutions, did training, devised policies. That is the sensible thing to do rather than shift onto live lessons with cameras and microphones whilst hoping for the best.

The provision last lockdown was patchy and some schools didn't provide enough (and by this I mean didn't do enough, not the MN whinge of 'my child's teacher used twinkl and I think they should have made the same worksheet from scratch because I've got a chip on my shoulder'). But what people are missing is that the government collapsed the curriculum and didn't give guidance on what was expected of schools.

My major issue is that the vast majority of posters who are teacher bashing (so not saying what happened in their DC school), is that they generally pay almost zero attention to what was actually going on in education. Instead they were determined to have a good old whinge about 'teachers' and make stupid comments like 'teachers don't want to do their jobs... teachers want schools closed... what ARE they actually doing?'

Even now, Boris has said household mixing in schools isn't safe (just a few days after threatening councils with legal action for trying to go remote learning for a few days to protect their pupils' families before Christmas). SAGE have said similar. Expert opinion is that mixing levels in schools are concerning. The unions have said the same.

What are people on here moaning about? Mean teachers who don't want to teach and don't care about families.

Achristmaspudsskidu · 03/01/2021 10:02

@caringcarer

I keep reading teachers are banned from wearing PPE. Why? Who is banning them? No one is banning my foster sons school from all wearing PPE students and staff.
This is what the government say about masks in their school guidance-:
NEU tells teachers not to go to work on Monday
ChloeDecker · 03/01/2021 10:07

That poster has been shown that guidance on many threads over the past few months and had it explained many times Achristmaspudsskidu Never responds after being shown the government guidance for England but will pop up on another’s thread like this one to say the same thing over and over again.

Achristmaspudsskidu · 03/01/2021 10:09

@ChloeDecker

That poster has been shown that guidance on many threads over the past few months and had it explained many times Achristmaspudsskidu Never responds after being shown the government guidance for England but will pop up on another’s thread like this one to say the same thing over and over again.
Ah right, thank you for telling me!

How odd-it’s almost like they are complaining for the sake of it!?

ChloeDecker · 03/01/2021 10:18

When schools were shut last year SOME teachers were arguing that they couldn’t provide online teaching for safeguarding reasons. I have now witnessed one of those teachers sharing a petition for schools to move to online learning. Is it any wonder there’s “teacher bashing” going on?!

It’s amazing that SOME posters think time stands still and situations don’t change. As LolaSmiles explained, there were safeguarding issues with live lessons and some of those have been addressed since, through time, training and schools spending more of their already small budget for those families. There are however, plenty of safeguarding issues still not addressed and the failed promises from the government to provide tech and support to more families that need it still plays a large part.

In addition, the guidance from the government at that time literally advised schools to use PDFs as best practice for work set because the govt knew that they could not provide tech to those families in time. They only silently removed this clause in May but didn’t replace it with anything until 26th October.

In addition, online learning does not equal live video lessons, which that petition refers to: online learning. This can mean a wide variety of methods. Some work for some families, others work for other families. There is no perfect one size fits all fits all.

As a result of the government failures, NEU and NAHT have highlighted in their plea to the government, for the government to provide better funding, support and guidance for remote learning as soon as possible.

Let’s stop blaming teachers for all this, eh?! Let’s instead work together to provide as much as possible, to what each family needs, to get through this pandemic.

BunsyGirl · 03/01/2021 10:20

@LolaSmiles I have never said that online learning is the holy grail but some parents had no contact from their children’s schools whatsoever. Others had a few worksheets uploaded with no feedback. That is not teaching. That’s why parents lost trust.

To give you an example at the opposite end of the spectrum, my DCs school partially closed and went to online learning for a number of years during the last week of term before Christmas. I am not aware of one parent complaint. Because they trust the school. That’s the point that I am making, what happened last year is influencing parents opinions now.

itsgettingweird · 03/01/2021 10:21

How odd-it’s almost like they are complaining for the sake of it!?

I know! The very thing they are accusing teaching staff of!

JacobReesMogadishu · 03/01/2021 10:22

Will it be county councils or city councils which influence this? My city is labour but the county is Tory.

AyrshireAmbler49 · 03/01/2021 10:26

I think it’s a lot to do with the ICT skills of the leadership team.
My HT (although we’re an Outstanding school) isn’t very tech savvy so the idea of changing gear half way through the school term and suddenly creating high quality, interactive, standardised online teaching resources was a tall order for some schools.

Some classes were providing better provision than others simply because some of the class teachers had better ICT skills and equipment at home than others.

So many disparities, so many variables, so many complicating factors.

But I think that sadly at the end of all this it will be teachers who are blamed.

And even more sadly I think that this is because teaching (esp. primary) is a workforce mainly populated by women.

ChloeDecker · 03/01/2021 10:37

BunsyGirl You have always said, since the first lockdown, that your DC’s private school provided excellent home provision but you have heard from others about poor provision. You have not actually experienced what you frequently post about.

Some of those Mumsnetters you have heard from, have been trolls/PBP and had their threads/posts deleted.

Some of those Mumsnetters are like you, and have only ‘heard’ about their friend down the road or what Mumsnetters have said here.

Some of those people did receive work but they didn’t like what it was and very few have contacted the school to ask for something different (plenty have admitted that over the past few days, for example)

Some parents in real life, in my personal experience, have claimed no work has been set but have been either relying on their children telling them or not been checking the schools’ website or their own inbox/junk folder.

Some parents waited until as late as July to voice complaints and by then it’s very hard to fit in all the work those children have missed that they were not aware of.

In the interest of balance because this shouldn’t be an ‘us and them’ (I am a parent as well as a teacher) some parents did receive very very little and were victims of the very poor guidance and legislation from the government. This is currently what NEU and NAHT (and weakly NASUWT) and trying to ask for help for.

The Oak National Academy has been there since Easter and Bitesize shortly after though.

The amount of repeat posters saying the same thing so it looks like more of an issue than it actually is (and is teachers are also complicit in this, to be fair) is really not helping public perception either and some responsibility from parent posters on here needs to be acknowledged (as a teacher and parent I am acknowledging it!) rather than just blaming teachers fully for it.

bartymao · 03/01/2021 10:50

Is anybody else watching the NEU live stream?

bartymao · 03/01/2021 10:51

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bartymao · 03/01/2021 10:52

Right link, sorry

LolaSmiles · 03/01/2021 11:00

@LolaSmiles I have never said that online learning is the holy grail but some parents had no contact from their children’s schools whatsoever. Others had a few worksheets uploaded with no feedback. That is not teaching. That’s why parents lost trust
I didn't say you had. I was saying that on here several months ago that's what countless posters were going on about. And there are so many posters making their own claims about education that say more about the chips on their shoulders than anything else.

I have no issues with people saying some schools had poor provision.

I have huge issues with people (not you btw) who don't engage a brain cell and decide that their zero experience in education and zero experience in policy and zero experience in relevant scientific areas make them qualified to make frankly ridiculous statements that are illogical because someone on facebook said/someone on mumsnet started a thread saying something they agreed with even though it turned out to be a goady PBP or troll.

Simply turning on the news or reading the occasional article that isn't clickbait on facebook would be enough for anyone to realise that the government's strategy for schools has been shambolic.

The problem is that for the teacher bashers (not people raising genuine concerns about their children's schools) is that reading up on an issue is too much effort when they're already convinced their poorly-informed opinion on how to run education in a pandemic is as valid as people in the relevant professions.

FrippEnos · 03/01/2021 11:05

@BunsyGirl

When schools were shut last year SOME teachers were arguing that they couldn’t provide online teaching for safeguarding reasons. I have now witnessed one of those teachers sharing a petition for schools to move to online learning. Is it any wonder there’s “teacher bashing” going on?!
That would probably be about teaching live lessons. But live lessons are not the only why to teach online.

But then that's not a reason to justify teacher bashing.

ArosAdraDrosDolig · 03/01/2021 11:24

I’m watching the NEU live stream. I don’t see how schools can open after this?

ArosAdraDrosDolig · 03/01/2021 11:24

Also pleased to hear that the advice applies in Wales.

bartymao · 03/01/2021 11:33

@ArosAdraDrosDolig

I’m watching the NEU live stream. I don’t see how schools can open after this?
Neither can I.
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