NEU tells teachers not to go to work on Monday

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@noblegiraffe

Marsha I'm secondary and not in the NEU so this makes zero difference to my job.

Primary school teachers who are NEU members are being told that they should contact their head about refusal to work in unsafe conditions under section 44.

Primary Heads have been instructed by their unions to expect this.

Primary Heads will then have to make the decision whether this affects staffing levels to the extent that they will be unable to open safely.

Some heads may open their schools because they can still staff them and are willing to risk that it's safe enough to do so.

Some heads will have to close their schools to all but keyworkers and vulnerable students due to lack of staffing.

Some heads will decide to close to all but keyworker and vulnerable students after making an updated covid risk assessment.

Parents need to wait to hear from their school.

Ok so they may still be able to do it for KW. Our KW numbers are high so will see if NEU membership turns out to be high too.

Don't pretend that 'working from home' is anywhere NEAR the amount of teaching and work you would usually do, I have seen first hand that it isn't.

That's a bit harsh on your DH. Wonder what he's not doing that the rest of us are? It takes just as long to teach remotely and feedback as it does in class. I guess some of it can be shifted into the evening if you have your own children to homeschool, but in terms of time taken, if you're doing everything that the remote guidance says, it's just as long if not longer. I guess he's not giving as good an offer as he needs to.

As a parent I’m gutted my children won’t be in school. But this is the right thing. I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner.

@DrRamsesEmerson

Exactly, *@Thunderpunt*. The sense of entitlement (and the dislike for children) of some teachers on here is staggering.

Your hatred of teachers and constant carping on is tedious beyond belief. I doubt even you believe the drivel you are spouting.

Not sure why the venom. Is your life so sad and empty that you get your jollies sounding off on forums with ill-informed opinions.

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He would do less than half of what he usually does during working from home.
Don't pretend that 'working from home' is anywhere NEAR the amount of teaching and work you would usually do, I have seen first hand that it isn't.

Ah, that’s made things a bit clearer. Maybe you should direct your efforts towards encouraging your husband to pull his finger out?

@Barbie222

Don't pretend that 'working from home' is anywhere NEAR the amount of teaching and work you would usually do, I have seen first hand that it isn't.

That's a bit harsh on your DH. Wonder what he's not doing that the rest of us are? It takes just as long to teach remotely and feedback as it does in class. I guess some of it can be shifted into the evening if you have your own children to homeschool, but in terms of time taken, if you're doing everything that the remote guidance says, it's just as long if not longer. I guess he's not giving as good an offer as he needs to.

Well, he's doing a lot more than my children's teachers are, and from speaking to friends at different schools a few worksheets, videos and 'advice' ('why not bake something with your ,mum today?') seems to be standard.

If teachers are to work from home again I would expect that they need to stat doing 30 hours per week of face to face contact time, and plan in the evenings like normal.

Teachers need to work much much harder than usual to make sure children are nti missing out of WFH.

@HipTightOnions

He would do less than half of what he usually does during working from home. Don't pretend that 'working from home' is anywhere NEAR the amount of teaching and work you would usually do, I have seen first hand that it isn't.

Ah, that’s made things a bit clearer. Maybe you should direct your efforts towards encouraging your husband to pull his finger out?

My husband will be in work on monday, assuming the school is open.

He's one of the decent, hard working ones

So because Flippingnightmare's DH did bog all during lockdown teachers deserve unsafe working conditions.

Awesome.

@noblegiraffe

So because Flippingnightmare's DH did bog all during lockdown teachers deserve unsafe working conditions.

Awesome.

Bless you noble giraffe, you really want to upset me don't you?

Good job you aren't very good at it

It takes just as long to teach remotely and feedback as it does in class. I guess some of it can be shifted into the evening if you have your own children to homeschool, but in terms of time taken, if you're doing everything that the remote guidance says, it's just as long if not longer

Oh god that made me laugh!

Don't pretend that 'working from home' is anywhere NEAR the amount of teaching and work you would usually do, I have seen first hand that it isn't.
Don't forget we're providing key worker / vulnerable care as well. In my year group that is almost half of the cohort. I'm having to be physically in class Mon and Tues as well as providing on line learning.

Bless you noble giraffe, you really want to upset me don't you?

No, just pointing out your argument is shit.

Hope this forces another U turn from the government tomorrow... The situation is currently untenable. I am wondering why the unions aren't also balloting for strike action too - I know that takes time but they could do this section 44 stuff and ballot as well.

I think that schools need to close apart from for vulnerable and keyworker kids. Other working parents of primary kids need to be allowed to go on furlough or bring in something else to support them if they don't have other childcare options (Kate Green asked about this the other day but as usual didn't get a proper reply).

My son is in secondary school but it's my gut feeling that as parents, we should support teachers with this if at all we can, either with messages of support or by keeping our kids off if we possibly can (I know that's easier said than done if you're a working parent). As usual it's chaos from this government. But schools being open as usual will make things less safe for everyone, and with this new variant there will be frequent bubble closures too, so people being expected to isolate at the drop of a hat, which will give less consistency, not more. Teachers and other school staff are being asked to work in extremely unsafe environments, something has got to give :-(

@Flippingnightmare

My 'beef' with the profession comes from being married to a primary school DH, so seeing from the inside how much work is actually going on.

He would do less than half of what he usually does during working from home. Fortunately he is actually a professional person with a sense of vocation, so he is desperate for schools to open and for children to actually be educated again. Perhaps it's because we have young children and he can see the damage that all this is causing.

Don't pretend that 'working from home' is anywhere NEAR the amount of teaching and work you would usually do, I have seen first hand that it isn't. And seen some of DH's colleagues plead corona fear even though they are runners in their 30s, when they clearly want to just stay at home.

Are you sure your feelings are nothing to do with reducing the 6-6 day you mentioned earlier? Or are you claiming to be working from home 6am -6pm?

What “feelings”? I think I was fairly clear that it’s a shit situation and that I’ll be going in until I’m told not to by the government. I’ve said here and actually for months now that I don’t want schools to close. It’s just that what I actually want isn’t important now.

Of course working from home isn’t as much work, I never said it was. You don’t have 60 books to physically mark every night (this depends on your school obviously, our marking policy is super thorough). I also don’t have to commute, so it shortens my day. I presume I’d actually get a lunch break working from home, as well. No breaking up fights in the playground. It’s not worth it though, key worker provision and remote learning is crap for everyone, as I said. I honestly don’t know where you’re getting that I’m happy this is happening because I get a shorter day when I said I’d prefer to just go in and hope for the best. I’m 26, so probably won’t get the vaccine until September, I can’t rely on that (unlike you), but I won’t be walking out on Monday.

How depressing that your DH is a primary school teacher and you talk like this to other teachers online. Not sure how you square that with yourself. Is he the only one of us who isn’t a chancer who can’t wait to have time off?

NEU person on R4 atm

@notevenat20
The more you spout, the more stupid you make yourself look. It’s now becoming amusing!

I suspect that the teachers will have the full support of NHS workers right now. What is the actual point of lockdown for the entire country if kids continue to mix with the virus in circulation at such high levels.

Teachers need to work much much harder than usual to make sure children are nti missing out of WFH.

And where will the money come from to enable this?

Or do you think teachers should work for free because........????

@year5teacher
You really are in unpleasant person and from your comments and derogatory digs at other education staff, I don’t think there is any chance that you are actually a teacher. If you are, I feel very sorry for you and for your colleagues who have to deal with your lack of empathy.

How depressing that your DH is a primary school teacher and you talk like this to other teachers online. Not sure how you square that with yourself. Is he the only one of us who isn’t a chancer who can’t wait to have time off?

Yes, and how odd that this was only revealed when the thread wasn't going her way. I stand by what I said. It takes time to do it properly. If other teachers aren't, this is what Ofsted is for.

@SilverGlitterBaubles

Indeed, every NHS professional that I know is hoping schools will close.

The more you spout, the more stupid you make yourself look. It’s now becoming amusing!

You may or may not notice that I don't resort to this sort of pointless childishness. If you have something to say that is constructive or informative, please go ahead.

The more you spout, the more stupid you make yourself look. It’s now becoming amusing!

I am sure we both have views but you have chosen to just to be childish. If there is something specific you disagree with you are free to say.

[quote LadyPenelope68]@year5teacher
You really are in unpleasant person and from your comments and derogatory digs at other education staff, I don’t think there is any chance that you are actually a teacher. If you are, I feel very sorry for you and for your colleagues who have to deal with your lack of empathy.[/quote]
Um... what are you actually talking about? 😂

And seen some of DH's colleagues plead corona fear even though they are runners in their 30s, when they clearly want to just stay at home

I work with one of those runners in their 30s. They ended up in A&E undergoing urgent tests for heart damage/failure a month after they had Covid.