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NEU tells teachers not to go to work on Monday

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Workyticket · 02/01/2021 13:24

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chilledteacher · 02/01/2021 15:35

@noblegiraffe

Secondary schools are already online next week.

Not sure about special schools.

Special schools have been told to open but that attendance for our secondary kids isn't mandatory whilst it is for our primary. I've stuck my head on a parapet and have told all my parents that the school will be open for those who want their child in school but that we understand it is a personal decision each family needs to make on their own which we will respect and authorise. Remote learning is in place for these children. I've currently got 47 not coming in on Tuesday out of 300. I expect it to rise.
CrocDays · 02/01/2021 15:35

Sorry, they are key workers and need to turn up. Teaching is also, a vocation.

As much protective measures as possible. Maybe delay things for a while. Yes to all that. But just a "fuck off and no show"?

As a society we cannot just imprison children in their homes and bedrooms. If the schools shut there needs to be other provision.

Personally, I think the teachers unions are being very selfish myself. I know there is worry, beefed up by the media, as how many teachers caught COVID and were seriously ill/died I would like to know?!. But there is a "giving up" of something with nearly every profession excludes accountants. This understanding has been lost. Its all now about Salaries and Terms and Conditions and Health and Safety.

The sense of vocation is dead. And it will be a loss for everyone.

Soontobe60 · 02/01/2021 15:36

@AlbertaAlberta
I’ve just received an email from my Head - he’s said he is aware of the issues and will update us asap - we have a training day on Monday for teachers only, and he said we may need to use that to prep for online learning. A Head who chooses to go against Union directives and insist that their staff go to school would be very unwise!

Remmy123 · 02/01/2021 15:36

Those who want to support this I suggest not sending your kids in. Make space for others who are not being scaremongered.

Thanks 🙏

year5teacher · 02/01/2021 15:37

@Flippingnightmare

All the people talking about furlough, LOL furlough is for struggling sectors to retain jobs, not to pay people who can't be arsed to o in.

Can you IMAGINE if doctors and nurses had done this during the first lockdown? At least they have professional integrity.

ODFOD. You are a nasty piece of work, aren’t you?
catgirl1976 · 02/01/2021 15:38

Hmm

I work in a College (support not teaching) and have a DS in primary school

Watching to see what will happen. I'm pretty sure I'll be back in work on Monday but won't be sending DS to school regardless of what happens.

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2021 15:38

@CrocDays

Sorry, they are key workers and need to turn up. Teaching is also, a vocation.

As much protective measures as possible. Maybe delay things for a while. Yes to all that. But just a "fuck off and no show"?

As a society we cannot just imprison children in their homes and bedrooms. If the schools shut there needs to be other provision.

Personally, I think the teachers unions are being very selfish myself. I know there is worry, beefed up by the media, as how many teachers caught COVID and were seriously ill/died I would like to know?!. But there is a "giving up" of something with nearly every profession excludes accountants. This understanding has been lost. Its all now about Salaries and Terms and Conditions and Health and Safety.

The sense of vocation is dead. And it will be a loss for everyone.

You don't appear to understand what is happening.

It's not a 'fuck off and no show'. It's teachers working from home providing remote education.

As much protective measures as possible. Maybe delay things for a while.

That's what's being asked for. You appear to support the unions.

Flippingnightmare · 02/01/2021 15:38

@Juststopswimming

I dont understand people celebrating school closures. This won't be for two weeks. This will be for months. I would be amazed if kids are back by the end of Easter hols. The unions won't allow it. We are talking about an entire generation of kids effectively losing two years of education. It is utterly dire and there is absolutely nothing to be glad about.
Absolutley

When will it be 'safe?'

When the pandemic is over?
When there are no circulating illnesses in the population?

If schools don't go back monday they won't go back this year.

LaBstar · 02/01/2021 15:38

You’re allowed to say why you like, and people are allowed to say that telling an entire profession to get over themselves is an absolute joke

Thats not really an "argument" or anything sensible, Year5 person.

Proves my point, in a way though ...

napody · 02/01/2021 15:39

@WhatTiggersDoBest

It's a shame so many people can't see that the government manipulated this situation through inaction so they didn't have to be the bad guys, so they could literally pitch parents against teachers instead of making the hard decision.

It's so sad to see two disempowered groups fighting for scraps at the table of equity instead of challenging the fundamental premise that the only equity to be shared is that which they are permitted by the government.

The government is printing money. They could have solved this ages ago by letting people bubble properly instead of keeping schools open and telling them to sort themselves out with no time or money to do that. Schools are not childcare. Right now they are disease vectors. Just because the kids can't catch the illness doesn't mean they're not spreading it.

Headteachers aren't epidemiologists, they shouldn't be solving the issue of how to make schools Covid secure, there should have been specific guidance based on scientific study of how this disease spreads.

We know it survives on surfaces for ages FGS, think of children as self-mobile surfaces with bits constantly falling off them (snot, clothes, stray hairs, dead skin, toys) then put two and two together, people!

Parents AND teachers deserve better.

Totally agree with this. I teach in a very deprived area with low (but rising) cases and was relieved that I thought I could at least start the term with the class...get them in 'school mode' before the inevitable happens and cases rise enough to have to close.

I still think decisions should be made by area. Kent's rates are so high now that if they are peaking, they might be down in a few weeks....meanwhile the new variant will continue to spread across the country and another area's peak might be in a few months time. The Government should take some bloody responsibility, set a threshold at which an area's schools should close (call it...I don't know....Tier 5 maybe?!), and intensively vaccinate prioritising Tier 5 areas. They are the ones with access to the science and a responsibility to make use of that advice.

Having said all that I hugely welcome NAHT's legal challenge and look forward to seeing the Govt present their evidence based plan...

Panickingpavlova · 02/01/2021 15:39

Croc, you are not after vocational workers in a pandemic with hospitals at breaking point, saying its going to get worse.

You are asking for martyrs

Ulelia · 02/01/2021 15:39

@CrocDays

Sorry, they are key workers and need to turn up. Teaching is also, a vocation.

As much protective measures as possible. Maybe delay things for a while. Yes to all that. But just a "fuck off and no show"?

As a society we cannot just imprison children in their homes and bedrooms. If the schools shut there needs to be other provision.

Personally, I think the teachers unions are being very selfish myself. I know there is worry, beefed up by the media, as how many teachers caught COVID and were seriously ill/died I would like to know?!. But there is a "giving up" of something with nearly every profession excludes accountants. This understanding has been lost. Its all now about Salaries and Terms and Conditions and Health and Safety.

The sense of vocation is dead. And it will be a loss for everyone.

It's a job. For some it's a career. But the sense of it being a vocation went out the window a long time ago, around the time it all became about performance related pay, targets, and triple marking in three colours "for ofsted".
TheLevyEyebrowsFancIub · 02/01/2021 15:40

Why would a supply agency send teachers into schools when all the Unions have deemed them unsafe to work in?

Because if schools are not shut then we are not furloughed (how it works for next two weeks will be interesting, have heard nothing):
I do supply on days when not in my permanent job.. Supply has been thin on the ground but some work has been available covering Covid staff going home. Just had my weekly questionnaire declaring myself fit to work.
Supply agencies will send staff anywhere - how they make their cut. Not all supply are in unions (should all be but that's another thread).

year5teacher · 02/01/2021 15:40

@LaBstar

You’re allowed to say why you like, and people are allowed to say that telling an entire profession to get over themselves is an absolute joke

Thats not really an "argument" or anything sensible, Year5 person.

Proves my point, in a way though ...

😂 and yours was? You want to tell the however many hundreds of thousands of teachers in the U.K. that was all need to get over ourselves, and you don’t see any flaw with that? Crack on then.
Flippingnightmare · 02/01/2021 15:40

'Working from home providing education'

The work my kids had online was dog shit.

It required me to do 4-6 hours of work with them, while the teacher clearly spent about 1 hour on it. If teachers are working from home their wages need to be drastically reduced so money can go to the people actually educating the children, I could spend an hour posting stuff on a forum myself.

StrangeAddiction · 02/01/2021 15:40

Good!

My children (so therefore my family) deserve to be safe.

Teachers and all the school staff deserve a safe work space.

It might be lost education but at least everyone is in the same boat rather than bubbles bursting all over and some children losing out.

We're all in this pandemic together!

Orangeblossom77777 · 02/01/2021 15:40

It's teachers working from home providing remote education

Great for those who can access it

finisterreforever · 02/01/2021 15:40

@noblegiraffe

I remember people making masks and scrubs for nurses because they were horrified by the lack of protection. Schools made visors and donated their science and DT goggles to hospitals.
Yes, I remember that. One school I know of has had problems with a fundraiser that they did as the organisation they did it with (go fund me I think) stopped them from getting the money and they are out of pocket.

They are having to work on that to get it sorted out so they can get the money that the local community raised. It's disgusting that money donated in good faith has not been handed over to the school.

DuchessofDerbyshire · 02/01/2021 15:40

why can independent schools cope?

And it's not about having smaller classes- some have classes up to 20 or more.

Sorry but teachers are not unique, The NHS staff can't walk out, supermarket staff can't walk out, paramedics can't go on strike.

They ought to try to find a way round it because unless they vaccinate all teachers and TAs etc it's going to be months before it's 'safe'.

itsgettingweird · 02/01/2021 15:41

@noblegiraffe

Thank goodness care workers/care home staff/nurses/HCPs don't have the same sense of self entitlement as many teachers on here

People were horrified by their working conditions and efforts were made to make them safer.

That's what teachers want too.

People have short memories don't they?

All the news had for weeks of first lockdown was news reporters chasing PPE planes arriving nationwide, people saying everyone needed PPE, calling out government for not having sticks after the pandemic practice and report a few years ago.

Everyone was on the side of service workers having safety. Many parents also pulled their children out of school 1-2 weeks before lockdown.

We are now at same numbers with a higher transmissible strain which evidence shows is transmitting through children and suddenly it's the opposite. No one wants teachers to be safe or their children either.

What is it? Lockdown fatigue?

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2021 15:41

@Orangeblossom77777

It's teachers working from home providing remote education

Great for those who can access it

Have you emailed your MP asking where the laptops for disadvantaged children are?
MarshaBradyo · 02/01/2021 15:41

Ok thanks Thatwent

So it’s possible on first day all students (ie including KW) won’t go in

I disagree with crazy posts from LaBStar but they’re too far out there, scroll past

saraclara · 02/01/2021 15:41

@Thunderpunt my daughter is ward sister on a Covid ward (and has had covid herself). And she's horrified at the risk my teacher daughter is under at the moment. She thinks it's insane that her sister's pupils aren't masked.

There's no race to the bottom here. Nurse daughter believes she doesn't have enough protection either. But she wants her sister to be safer than she is at present, too.

Orangeblossom77777 · 02/01/2021 15:42

It might be lost education but at least everyone is in the same boat

Right. People on here really are in their own little bubble aren't they

itsgettingweird · 02/01/2021 15:42

@KeysDontBelongInTheFridge

I’m getting increasingly annoyed that there’s been no governmental response to this, everything’s just gone quiet.
Speaks volumes doesn't it when even the government can't come out and defend their stance with science.