The idiots are actually going to mess up the vaccine rollout aren't they

[Dawnofanewera]

Just when I thought they couldn't handle the pandemic any worse they are now messing up the vaccine rollout! Bangs head on table

Yes.

In the face of a tsunami of infection, the scientific advice is to vaccinate as many as possible with a single dose protection and then follow that up in 12 weeks with the second dose. I guess sitting at home thumbing The Guardian and browsing the news channels is different to sitting in a committee room at Porton Down facing Professors of virology and international epidemiologists. It would take a brave politician to ignore that advice.

Err the scientists are saying don't mix the vaccines as this is untested. The government are going against scientific advice and doing it anyway probably because the Oxford vaccine is cheaper. Pfizer have said there are no supply issues yet the government is insistent on going on this idiotic course of mixing the vaccines PHE have advised against this. How stupid are they!

yes, they are. staggering. I don't believe they are even going to mess this up. And it will also add fuel to all the ant-ivaxers and massively damage public confidence in the vaccinations. Absolute shit show.

Vaccines are not a perfect solution, but they are better than the alternative
There is no easy way out of this

@jasmineandisaiah

If you're going to spread disinformation you could at least choose examples that are evidently not lies, such as the nurse that fainted due to a known pain reaction condition that she has, that wasn't taken anywhere near ICU?

@JasmineandIsaiah anti vaxxers spreading nonsense is far more dangerous

@JasmineandIsaiah children aren't being vaccinated so no one is putting it in their kids.

I’m a nurse and really worried.

I’m due my first this week. I don’t mind the 12 week space between the Oxford vaccine as there is evidence that this may make it more efficient. The Pfizer has no evidence base for spacing the jabs more than 3 weeks apart at all, it’s licensed based on a 3 week gap.

I’m really not ok with the idea of mixing two different jabs. I’m concerned that spacing the Pfizer beyond three weeks and/or mixing jabs will render a big proportion of the vaccination programme utterly useless.

Anti vaxxers are airheads.

Tories - if there’s an opportunity to fuck things up, well take it!

I think this is probably the only thing that will be got broadly right. As the army are involved in part of the rollout.

@Pyewhacket

In the face of a tsunami of infection, the scientific advice is to vaccinate as many as possible with a single dose protection and then follow that up in 12 weeks with the second dose. I guess sitting at home thumbing The Guardian and browsing the news channels is different to sitting in a committee room at Porton Down facing Professors of virology and international epidemiologists. It would take a brave politician to ignore that advice.

Voice of sanity, thank you

Yes they are.
Like everything else.

Just to say on the vaccine mixing you're concerned about: this definitely isn't the standard plan, they aren't going to mix and match as a matter of course.

They are testing or planning to test the efficacy of mix and match on people who give informed consent and know it is a test, because if it is effective it makes it logistically easier, and it might even be more effective. They have also granted permission for mix and match occasionally in other circumstances if other options aren't available, because something is likely to be better than nothing.

The above is very different from a gung ho mix and match approach, and is quite reasonable and sensible.

I was watching 2 scientists and a doctor on CNN last night and they were discussing the UK and the space between the vaccines and they were gobsmacked, they actually said that not one trial was done this way with such a large gap, they were stunned that the UK was inventing their own way of doing things when they don't know if it will work properly.

Tbh, I'm in Ireland and every news station is in disbelief that the UK are risking peoples lives like this, they are giving the impression that this will work, it may, or may not but I don't think I'd be too happy if it were me.

At one of the news conferences here a reporter asked the top doctor if we would follow suit like the UK, his face smiled and he said a flat straight out NO.

Is anyone really surprised that the vaccine rollout will be a clusterfuck like everything else. Jubilation at getting the vaccine given to a number of people then 'oh actually you won't be getting the second dose' to 'well if you do get it it maybe a different vaccine from the first'. People applying to administer the vaccine having to supply 21 different pieces of evidence that they are suitable! No facilities ready to administer the vaccine and no staff to do it. I feel truly despondent today at this, added to hospitals apparently being unable to cope with the increasing number of covid cases and the unfolding disaster of school closures (or not as it changes seemingly by the hour). Total and utter mismanagement by this Government (the excuse that it is a new unknown virus won't wash now).

@Pyewhacket

In the face of a tsunami of infection, the scientific advice is to vaccinate as many as possible with a single dose protection and then follow that up in 12 weeks with the second dose. I guess sitting at home thumbing The Guardian and browsing the news channels is different to sitting in a committee room at Porton Down facing Professors of virology and international epidemiologists. It would take a brave politician to ignore that advice.

Which scientists?

Can you show evidence of a single scientist endorsing this approach in public?

The government saying they are "following the science" is not the same thing.

All I have seen are HCP saying this is unlikely to be effective, particularly when mixing vaccines.

Yes, of course. Not only do I not trust this government, I actually feel very afraid now.
For some time I've believed their poor decisions have not protected us, but now I'm starting to think that their poor decisions are actively harming us.