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They are going to close the schools again aren’t they.

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Amithetoxicone · 01/01/2021 22:18

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Littlewhitedove2 · 02/01/2021 09:26

[quote LadyPenelope68]@Littlewhitedove2
This makes me so angry. How can you home school when you are trying to work full time? Are kids just meant to have to teacher input? How do they complete work if they need help every 5 mins or help with the laptop and both parents are working from home? What if you have 3 kids and only one laptop? What if you have a baby (or twin babies) at home and also kids to home school. What about those kids who’s parents are out all week working, or those who’s parents couldn’t care less about encouraging them to learn. You have no clue how online learning in other countries is getting on. You have no clue how online learning in your own country is getting on. No one does and no one will be able to measure this impact to our future generation yet. Online is a very very poor substitute for in person classes and teaching and there is no way to dress that up

There are many countries in the world where children have not been back to face to face school since March. Children in those countries are progressing well and online working is now very effective. It seems like parents in the U.K. are so fixed on the fact that it won’t work and think it should all carry on as it always has that they’re failing to recognise that we’re in a pandemic, things can’t stay the same at the minute. Time for people with views like you to take a reality check and adapt.[/quote]
You have absolutely no idea how other children in countries are actually doing with their learning. Are they actually learning anything much? How much real learning have they done since March compared with 2019? Just because their schools have been closed.. so what? Kids could have been at home doing nothing or in the local streets in groups for all you know? Means nothing.

poshme · 02/01/2021 09:26

I hope they keep schools open where infection rates are lower.

LadyPenelope68 · 02/01/2021 09:28

@GuyFawkesDay
Schools have not been "safe" from the start. It's 100% clear kids transmit, and they do not socially distance well. Schools cannot distance and have all kids on. It's just not possible. So with this new variant schools are (in SE) and will be elsewhere, a massive, massive vehicle of transmission for this new variant. The NHS is creaking today. In 4 weeks time we'd be up a decidedly brown looking stream without anny means of propulsion. Nobody wants schools shut. Teachers included. But it is our only option to keep people as safe as we can right now.
^^ This exactly.

itsgettingweird · 02/01/2021 09:28

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@BelleSausage it doesn't matter how good the online education is, if parents are working full time and don't have the time to dedicate to helping their children with schoolwork too then it's an impossible situation.[/quote]
That's why government needed to engage with unions and heads back in April.

We could have had a mixture of learning and worked this. Smaller class sizes is much better for safety. Those who need to be in school should be and will be under the current system.

But it's all done last minute during the holidays and so isn't as good as it should be.

Benjispruce2 · 02/01/2021 09:29

The news of an 8 year old dying yesterday is certainly very sobering. Poor family.

Littlewhitedove2 · 02/01/2021 09:30

[quote LadyPenelope68]@Littlewhitedove2
This makes me so angry. How can you home school when you are trying to work full time? Are kids just meant to have to teacher input? How do they complete work if they need help every 5 mins or help with the laptop and both parents are working from home? What if you have 3 kids and only one laptop? What if you have a baby (or twin babies) at home and also kids to home school. What about those kids who’s parents are out all week working, or those who’s parents couldn’t care less about encouraging them to learn. You have no clue how online learning in other countries is getting on. You have no clue how online learning in your own country is getting on. No one does and no one will be able to measure this impact to our future generation yet. Online is a very very poor substitute for in person classes and teaching and there is no way to dress that up

There are many countries in the world where children have not been back to face to face school since March. Children in those countries are progressing well and online working is now very effective. It seems like parents in the U.K. are so fixed on the fact that it won’t work and think it should all carry on as it always has that they’re failing to recognise that we’re in a pandemic, things can’t stay the same at the minute. Time for people with views like you to take a reality check and adapt.[/quote]
Absolutely cracks me up. So you know that kids in ‘many other countries’ are ‘progressing well’ do you?? Okie dokie then. I don’t think there is a person alive in this world who actually knows that kids in many other countries are ‘progressing well’
It’s hard enough to even know how our kids in the uk are doing right now!

itsgettingweird · 02/01/2021 09:31

@middleager

Why aren’t we standing up for our kids more?

I am only hearing more parents speak out now. Sadly, I have not heard many parents (including on these threads) standing up for their kids by demanding that teachers have PPE, ventilated classrooms and masks at all times. Infra red cameras and plexiglass like in other countries.

There could have been mass parental pressure on Govt to provide this, if aren't were truly concerned about safety. Now it's too late. Had schools been allowed to mitigate against the germs, implement rotas - all backed by parents - then maybe schools could be safer.

I've been writing to my MP for months about this, contacting local journalists and supporting groups like Parents United.

My child did catch Covid at school in the end due to so many cases and no protections.
I did everything I could to protect them and push for better conditions/raise awareness of conditions in school, but short of moving two year tens out of school in key exam years, not sure what else I could do.

What did you all do when teachers warned schools weren't safe?

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Bikingbear · 02/01/2021 09:31

@Friendswithwhenifits

I think until February. I know many hearts are sinking at the thought of finding childcare, trying to wfh with kids etc etc💐 It’s the last leg of this terrible time- hold on, stay strong.
I hope your right it's the last leg of these hard times.
Waxonwaxoff0 · 02/01/2021 09:32

@itsgettingweird not all children who need to be in school will be. I'd say that all children of 2 working parents need to be, many will just be ignored all day while parents work.

chocolatesweets · 02/01/2021 09:33

I think it's awful.

"Safe at home." From the virus. If you were on universal credit - you'd take your chances.

Open the schools or give people the chance to socialise outside them. My kids need social interaction and other things. Stimulation.

It's neglect if both parents have to work but what's the alternative if you're life is set up like this?

FourTeaFallOut · 02/01/2021 09:33

I hope they keep schools open where infection rates are lower.

But how low is low enough? And is it the infection rate or the prevalence of the new strain as a proportion of the total cases? I just feel like I'm struggling to guage it at this point. My tier 4 local area is absolutely average at 286/100k, and lower than it has been in some time - so I would say that's low but maybe I'm a lobster in a pot at this point?

Anyway, I'm shielding. I'm tempted to keep the little one off while the older two are remote learning to see what happens next. But I feel like my risk compass has been completely scrambled at this point.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 02/01/2021 09:34

Even rota systems would be better to at least allow all children to get some face to face learning.

AdultHumanFemale · 02/01/2021 09:37

Thank you, BikingBear, kind words.
And Wax, you are right. In the case of young children, it is very difficult to create meaningful online content which does not rely at least to some extent on an adult assisting the child with their learning, or even with operating the technology.
In addition, as I have said before on threads like these, the reality where I teach is that many parents, despite being offered opportunities for learning how to access online learning platforms, are not able to do so, whether because of language barriers, insufficient access to sufficient technology in the houlehold, or chaotic lives.
And don't get me started on printers. For so many of 'my' parents, who struggle massively financially, owning a printer is extremely low on the list of priorities. Thus is is important to create learning experiences which do not require a pupil to have access to a printer. We offered to print weekly learning packs for parents to collect during the spring / summer, and it was the only way many of our parents were able to stay on board.
Many feel like a solution should be to kerp schools open for those who need them to stay open for a variety of reasons, while providing online content for parents and pupils who choose to remain at home. I completely get how worrying it must be to send your child to school if you or a member of your household is vulnerable; try as we might, it is impossible to keep schools covid secure. I'm glad our parents weren't able to see exactly how 'covid secure' things were in my bubble, despite our best efforts and following protocol to the letter. But unless the government puts in a massive additional resource to support schools in creating online learning for pupils remaining at home, such as appointing supply teachers to take this on (which also isn't ideal) it'll break the teachers charged with putting this into practise. When the schools began to welcome back Reception, Y1 and Y6 in the spring, my school deemed we had capacity for me to return to school to teach a bubble of my class, which was not one of the aforementioned year groups, as my class in particular had a large number of vulnerable pupils who had not been classed as vulnerable enough for SS involvement (the criteria for accessing a school place as an 'officially' vulnerable pupil during the first part of lockdown) but who were in danger of falling through the cracks.
It was a bonkers time; in the days I was teaching 12 pupils in the classroom and in the evenings, often running into the nights, I was creating online content for the pupils who were still learning at home and preparing classroom lessons for my in-school bubble. My own kids didn't get a look in.
So when people suggest running an elective in / out system, logistically it'll be a major undertaking.

chaosisaladder · 02/01/2021 09:37

I would prefer it if all schools closed and they took the time back in July-August (so reduced the summer holiday) to make up for it.

poshme · 02/01/2021 09:38

@FourTeaFallOut in our area cases are well below 200 per 100,000.

Xenia · 02/01/2021 09:38

All critical workers' children can be taken care of in hub schools by the way so any working parent should go now and look at the list and assert their claim.
It is massive list which I posted elsewhere - teachers, postmen, IT, courts, doctors, nurses, teachers, food people.

poshme · 02/01/2021 09:40

@chaosisaladder so you want teachers to work all term doing online learning, and just give up their holidays to work unpaid?

That just won't work

GuyFawkesDay · 02/01/2021 09:40

twitter.com/lcgeography/status/1344985763302223872?s=19

I'm linking this for the "lazy teacher" and "online learning was crap" posters. This is someone I know via twitterland. Someone who's helped me get better, I've chatted with him online about lots of things teaching related and attended online conferences etc. Even though I did lots of live lessons in lockdown 1, I'm determined to get online lessons as good as I can, for my classes. I. Not unusual. As well as working in a pandemic, covering for shielded and ill staff, looking after my own 2 kids I am upskilling as fast and as well as I bloody can.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 02/01/2021 09:41

Yes Adult. The government has failed massively with this. I'd support an "opt in/out" system where those who want to keep their children at school can, and those who want to keep theirs off can. I do think this would be unfair on teachers having to create both online and in classroom lessons. The government should undertake creating online resources and lessons for those who want to keep their children home. If they had any decency.

poshme · 02/01/2021 09:41

@xenia it isn't always that easy. Some schools say you must have both parents key working to get a place. Others say if you are wfh you can't get a place.

chaosisaladder · 02/01/2021 09:41

@poshme no - I think this should be an extended holiday of sorts, made up for by reducing the summer holiday. No learning for the next 3-4 weeks expected while we get to grips with getting the vaccine out and reducing cases of this new strain.

namesnamesnamesnames · 02/01/2021 09:43

I had wondered if they'd try some kind of staggered attendance but I don't think it would be possible for many parents to cater for that.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 02/01/2021 09:43

@Xenia I'm in furniture manufacturing. One of the forgotten workers who isn't a key worker but cannot work from home. I'm just expected to find childcare out of nowhere even though childcare settings will be ordered to close if schools are.

poshme · 02/01/2021 09:46

@chaosisaladder so what about the teachers who have to provide for the vulnerable and key worker kids? They don't get a holiday.

namesnamesnamesnames · 02/01/2021 09:47

@Adulyhumanfemale Teachers have just been incredible through this whole disastrous year. I'm school staff and a parent and can understand just how much work the home learning organisation was taking, some just don't realise that great teachers were in all day with key worker and vulnerable children and working on home learning packs all night. It was exhausting emotionally, mentally and physically.