Statement in parliament this afternoon on 'reopening of schools in England'

[DownRightAmazing]

By Gavin.

I'm aware there are a million threads on this generally but this is specifically regarding the statement - any leaks/clues/predictions?

To state my own position: I think schools need to close to all except keyworker and vulnerable children. I feel it's obvious this needs to happen. My own two children are thriving at school and I'm not concerned about them at all - if their (primary) school is open, I will send them - but I worry for their teachers, any vulnerable parents of their classmates and of course the NHS.

My prediction (based on nothing): secondary schools blended/part time. Primary fully open. We are tier 4 fwiw and I disagree with opening schools in January...

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-full-list-of-areas-where-primary-schools-face-delayed-return-12175797

We all know that although there are some people who have genuine difficulty working if their kids are off if they can’t work from home but aren’t key workers, there are also a LOT of parents that just can’t cope with their own kids. Usually because of the way they’ve turned out due to their own ineffective parenting, in my opinion.

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Thank you

Sorry, just come back to the thread sabrina. that sucks so much. I wish I could help. I feel so sad. Your every instinct is to keep your child safe from harm.

Yes Boris, I too feel safe where my child is in a class full of 30+ siblings. No household mixing to worry about

What’s the reasoning that school nurseries can close but private nurseries and childminders don’t

@Agoodbriskwalk

Ah my first deleted post for directing some well-deserved anger at people being smugly happy about others being placed in danger of death. Not sorry, they should be ashamed.

All I see is relief. Can you not understand why some people might be relieved?

I can do quite a bit of my job from home but not all of it. When I am working from home I can't look after a small child or home school. It's not that I don't want to it's that I physically can't.

Lockdown 1 pretty much broke me and this last term working in education has been the toughest of my career but even I can see that I'm one of the lucky ones.

What you're interpreting as smugness I'm seeing as pure relief.

If I was a teacher, especially primary I’d be seriously considering a few months stress leave with full pay!

We all know that although there are some people who have genuine difficulty working if their kids are off if they can’t work from home but aren’t key workers, there are also a LOT of parents that just can’t cope with their own kids. Usually because of the way they’ve turned out due to their own ineffective parenting, in my opinion.

Aren't you a delight.

We all know that although there are some people who have genuine difficulty working if their kids are off if they can’t work from home but aren’t key workers, there are also a LOT of parents that just can’t cope with their own kids. Usually because of the way they’ve turned out due to their own ineffective parenting, in my opinion

Your post suggests you think there are more of the latter than the former, so you might want to rewrite it (obviously there are far more parents working than feckless parents)

Oh do fuck off with this nonsense, school is not childcare. It’s there to educate your child. It’s not a place where you palm them off just so you can do your ever so important job.

Actually my job is training teachers and other educational professionals in areas where there is a worrying skills shortage..... so before you berate people for working try finding out what they do first.
My colleagues train nurses and midwives- I guess they should stop using school for ' childcare' too and quit their jobs??

The tiny bit of goodwill I have left is now gone. We are in tier 4 with numbers larger than some of those that are shut but we remain open. I love teaching my class but I don't love them more than my own children.

The fuckers know that teachers resignation rules mean we have to stay till Easter now. If we get that far.

I don't see any smuggery either tbh, just some who are relieved. People aren't necessarily selfish, stupid, inadequate parents just because they disagree with you.

School isn't designed as childcare, but it often is childcare. Because people have to work, incredibly.

Teachers could go off ill, be signed off for stress?

@DownRightAmazing Yes! Only Milton Keynes is closing primaries, and I don't think they're included in our figures as they have their own separate council/NHS trust etc.

It is seen as childcare by the government, when it comes to parents having to work.

The fuckers know that teachers resignation rules mean we have to stay till Easter now. If we get that far.

Only if they want another teaching job, which many don’t. Or sick leave till Easter then resign. It’s going to be even harder to recruit now too.

Not that the people SO concerned about their kids’ education will care about teacher shortages any more than they did pre Covid!

I think some of the posters on here (who I’m assuming are teachers or TAs based on this post) are being disingenuous to parents. Most parents do respect teachers - probably more than my parents generation did actually. We just clubbed together as a class to gift our teacher £200 of John Lewis vouchers for Xmas. Can’t ever remember my mum buying presents for my teachers (live in same town). We all engage in homework, supporting teachers in teaching our children. My parents definitely never did this!

Honestly such a load of rubbish sprouted on this thread. Teachers are very highly valued where I live. We don’t want them to die, how ridiculous. The reality is (in my council estate) that loads of people are at risk. My neighbour is a bus driver, other neighbour a teacher, other works in lab, supermarket workred. My family work in education/ factories/ NHS.

We do respect teachers lives. But we also want our children in school because they thrive in school. Also we will have to draft in older family to look after them so we can go to work.

Xmas it may surprise you to know most teachers don't want the huge voucher gifts. Some find it uncomfortable.

They want parents to fight for funding for their children, better funding for schools and not all these cuts, safer schools during the pandemic.

A nice handbag from JL isn't going to prevent covid when mixing with 30 households a day.

Respect isn't shown in monetary value.

Xmas it may surprise you to know most teachers don't want the huge voucher gifts. Some find it uncomfortable

Typical fucking passive aggressive Mumsnet.

The point is all these other professions aren't kicking up a stink over doing their jobs. Its relentless and its actually what is making me lose respect. Hospital staff supermarket workers bus drivers police officers all just quietly getting on with it.

@Rubyrubyrubyred

The point is all these other professions aren't kicking up a stink over doing their jobs. Its relentless and its actually what is making me lose respect. Hospital staff supermarket workers bus drivers police officers all just quietly getting on with it.

With fucking PPE and more protection than teachers!

@itsgettingweird we do that too. Our school had a deficit last year and parents worked hard to fill it. There was very good attendance at the school funding crisis meeting and lots of better off parents donated money to fill the gap.

The point is all these other professions aren't kicking up a stink over doing their jobs. Its relentless and its actually what is making me lose respect. Hospital staff supermarket workers bus drivers police officers all just quietly getting on with it.

In PPE and with social distancing. In the case of some of those, with regular testing.

Come on, it’s not hard to see the difference.