Sending London patients to Yorkshire

[DeRigueurMortis]

It's been reported that due to capacity issues in London there is a proposal to send patients to Yorkshire.

London has more beds per capita than anywhere else in the country.

The nightingales have been dismantled.

In Yorkshire the rates have been high but (depending on north/south/east/west) brought into control though harsh lockdown. Those in tier 2 have been buggered by being inundated by Covid tourism and will be tier 3/4.

So Yorkshire is on the verge of it's own disaster with less beds per person than London and being overwhelmed by London cases before the local community can get a bed in their hospital.

Is it right that this should happen?

Hospitals in London and South East are well over capacity. It changes not on a daily basis, but an hourly basis.
Some are managing ventilated patients in accident and emergency units. Some have patients in their X-ray departments. Some are being held in ambulances for up to 9 hours awaiting admission to an emergency department. There are no hospitals without stacking ambulances.
Would people really deny an 83 year old with a fractured hip an operation and bed, the chance to walk again, because they lived in a different town?

My son is currently bed blocking a bed in itu. He had a massive emergency surgery late Christmas eve and there is simply no other bed in one of the south's biggest hospital to put him.
Before he got his itu place that he desperately needed he was in acute care with an itu nurse because there was no bed for him.

The idea that some of you think fuck him, let him die due to geography is staggeringly heart breaking. Luckily it doesn't work that way.
NHS is here for anyone who needs it regardless of pretty squabbles

I agree the some of the responses on this thread are absolutely shocking.

I personally do not believe in the tier system and wouldn't deny someone treatment in my area just because of some legislation that so many people aren't following anyway.

They can keep their own patients. I’m fairly certain if we wanted to send ours there, they wouldn’t allow

Who wouldn’t allow it? Who do you think is making these decisions?

The overcapacity is managed initially in hospitals. They put trolleys in corridors, put beds in cardiac catheterisation units, put extra beds in bays on wards. They open escalation wards that have been closed.
None is ideal. All reduce staffing levels and put staff under additional pressure.
Most hospital staff work additional hours, most would rather be run ragged than see people go without care or treatment.

I repeat, the reason folk are pissed off is that they’ve been in a high level of lockdown all through the summer and autumn. We’ve been like Dickensian characters with our noses pressed up against the windows of the South whilst they feasted and made merry. The number of posts and letters I’ve read about Northerners not abiding by the rules and that’s what they had high levels of COVID and more stringent lockdown.

Unfortunately there is considerable political advantage in stirring up regional grudges, so we can expect more of this in the years to come

We’ve been like Dickensian characters with our noses pressed up against the windows of the South whilst they feasted and made merry.

I don't know what fecking windows you've been at?

@Wankerchief

My son is currently bed blocking a bed in itu. He had a massive emergency surgery late Christmas eve and there is simply no other bed in one of the south's biggest hospital to put him. Before he got his itu place that he desperately needed he was in acute care with an itu nurse because there was no bed for him.

The idea that some of you think fuck him, let him die due to geography is staggeringly heart breaking. Luckily it doesn't work that way.
NHS is here for anyone who needs it regardless of pretty squabbles

So sorry to hear your son has been so poorly. I hope he pulls through. I can't begin to imagine how upsetting it will have been to read this thread.

@Flaxmeadow your points are all reasonable and well made. But others here are saying "they'd better not come here.." and other such dark mutterings.

But are they even from Yorkshire or the North?. I do wonder sometimes at posts on here and who is posting and why

We will survive this better when we pull together. London hospitals have been taking the Kent overflow for weeks - as the strain seems to have taken off there first. That is right but now London sounds like it needs help

Yes agree. We need to pull together and it might be Northerners needing London soon. All this old North/South divide stuff is a waste of energy. The vast majority of Northerners would welcome Londoners with open arms. I'm sure of it

They can keep their own patients. I’m fairly certain if we wanted to send ours there, they wouldn’t allow it

Nasty attitude. Very Little England. Entirely untrue.
Regardless of your attitude if you need a hospital bed, one will be found.
If you need critical care, a critical care bed will be found.
If your Child needs a paediatric critical care bed, one will be found.
If your newborn needs a neonatal critical care bed, one will be found.

It’s how the NHS works and why those back room staff are actually quite important.

@JayAlfredPrufrock

I repeat, the reason folk are pissed off is that they’ve been in a high level of lockdown all through the summer and autumn. We’ve been like Dickensian characters with our noses pressed up against the windows of the South whilst they feasted and made merry. The number of posts and letters I’ve read about Northerners not abiding by the rules and that’s what they had high levels of COVID and more stringent lockdown.

Being annoyed isn’t a reason to wish death on someone for being from a different town/city.

@Wankerchief

@JayAlfredPrufrock

I repeat, the reason folk are pissed off is that they’ve been in a high level of lockdown all through the summer and autumn. We’ve been like Dickensian characters with our noses pressed up against the windows of the South whilst they feasted and made merry. The number of posts and letters I’ve read about Northerners not abiding by the rules and that’s what they had high levels of COVID and more stringent lockdown.

I understand that. However it’s a big leap from that to “don’t give Londoners ICU beds, they’ll just have to die instead”.

@JayAlfredPrufrock

I repeat, the reason folk are pissed off is that they’ve been in a high level of lockdown all through the summer and autumn. We’ve been like Dickensian characters with our noses pressed up against the windows of the South whilst they feasted and made merry. The number of posts and letters I’ve read about Northerners not abiding by the rules and that’s what they had high levels of COVID and more stringent lockdown.

Oh do fuck off. Feasted and made merry?? Try burying tens of thousands of loved ones, businesses going under, millions losing their jobs, just like the rest of the country. We haven't been a Covid-free bubble while all this has been going on.

But your petty jealousies means it's okay now for critically ill Londoners with no access to beds in the capital to die. Right oh.

Hardly making merry! I couldn’t even see my mum on Christmas Day.

@Wankerchief

My son is currently bed blocking a bed in itu. He had a massive emergency surgery late Christmas eve and there is simply no other bed in one of the south's biggest hospital to put him. Before he got his itu place that he desperately needed he was in acute care with an itu nurse because there was no bed for him.

The idea that some of you think fuck him, let him die due to geography is staggeringly heart breaking. Luckily it doesn't work that way.
NHS is here for anyone who needs it regardless of pretty squabbles

I hope he keeps doing well.

Rememeber you’re really important, make sure you look after yourself properly.

Most people are not like that. Most people are decent. In every part of the country.

It just seems that the more unpleasant minority post more on social media especiallymore recently. Although it does still shock.

Just to be clear, Londoners did not make make Tier decisions. The government did. You know, the ones we collectively voted for.

Are you really proposing leaving people to die who could be saved while beds lie empty elsewhere in the country?

I have no words.

Who are all these Londoners that have made merry?

I think it's safe to say that personally, I'd rather take my chances with death than to wake up in ICU in Yorkshire to doctors and nurses with the attitude displayed on here! We get it. We're not wanted.

Bloody hell. We’re talking about people who are really unwell needing life saving treatment. Thank god those nastier posters don’t have any real control over who lives and who dies, and those who actually work for the NHS are able to make decisions that save lives.

@ObliviouslyIgnorant I do not know what happened with the Covid patients but I can tell you that patients are regularly moved to different areas in the North and Midlands. When a Yorkshire hospital couldn’t treat my friend’s seriously ill baby, she was transferred to Newcastle 100 miles away.