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Those wanting school open - are you not worried about your DC?

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Hicksville21 · 28/12/2020 18:42

Just that really. Do you not think it’s time to keep our kids home safe until this wave passes?

OP posts:
Yellow85 · 28/12/2020 20:56

@3littlewords

many parents in this country see schools as a free child minding service

This type of crap really makes my piss fizz!

Aside from a Nanny or Au Pair which would only be possible for the very privileged please tell me what other establishments are available that offer child care to school aged dc to the general working class society?
Claimants of benefits have their claim re assessed when their dc reach school age in the belief that they can work whilst their dc are in school so are no longer entitled to benefits. So even our own government realise that school provides some form of childcare so parents can work.

Exactly this. I never see school as childcare, however I did enter into a contract of employment on the basis I would be available to work Monday to Friday. I mange by adjusting my working day which not everyone has the ability to do, so I think you’re allowed to find it difficult.
SeaglassSolstice · 28/12/2020 20:57

Not at all. They're primary age with no vulnerabilities. Happy for them to go back. But then I'm not worried about DH and I either.

I agree school staff should maybe be offered the vaccination earlier than they might otherwise be offered it.

MintyMabel · 28/12/2020 20:57

Oh god. Not the smarties thing again!

Great way to avoid the question. So, would you?

toocold54 · 28/12/2020 20:58

I’m a teacher. I am not worried about myself catching the virus as much as I am that my DC will catch it. I know children are seemingly less likely to become seriously ill or die from it but because it’s still so new then I worry about the long term health impacts it may have.

If I could afford to give up my job (single parent) then I would until we know more about it and home school my DC/part time school or something. But my DC are not in an abusive home so wouldn’t mind staying at home but I know many children who are so it’s a difficult one.

LoveNote · 28/12/2020 20:58

more concerned for their 'mental heath'?

what mental health problems are you all seeing?

Heyahun · 28/12/2020 20:58

Most people need schools to open ffs! Literally don’t have the luxury of being at home all day home schooling - people have jobs?

Those calling for nurseries to close are proper pissing me off too - I work at one - if they close us down that’s the end of my job, we won’t be able to open again if we close! It’s not the same as schools - we are a private business

hamstersarse · 28/12/2020 21:01

@MintyMabel

Oh god. Not the smarties thing again!

Great way to avoid the question. So, would you?

To answer your stupid smarties question - yes I would eat a smartie (even though I don’t eat sugar)

I would eat all 100 smarties because I am not even slightly concerned about getting coronavirus. I am very healthy and it bears no risk for me

hamstersarse · 28/12/2020 21:04

@LoveNote

more concerned for their 'mental heath'?

what mental health problems are you all seeing?

Child development is a one off thing. You can’t go back and fill in gaps.

Children need their peers, and we are deliberately placing children in a position where a failure to thrive is much more likely.

Not a pretty look for so many people ‘worried about their children’

Ylvamoon · 28/12/2020 21:05

Children need to be in school, their education and their mental wellbeing matters. They are the workforce of the future, you can't just "park" their development. Why do so many people insist on wrecking their future?

And for statistics: Dr Google says there are
2,290,000 recorded positive cases in the UK. 70,752 people died with covid-19 on their death certificate... that's 3.09% of people dying. Enough said.

3littlewords · 28/12/2020 21:06

@LoveNote

more concerned for their 'mental heath'?

what mental health problems are you all seeing?

During the first lockdown my 10yo was hiding knives in his room to harm himself, is that good enough mental health problems for you? He had never shown such tendencies before all this.
MessAllOver · 28/12/2020 21:07

The "parents see school as free childcare" argument is tedious. If that's the case, surely school closures shouldn't apply to those who pay for nursery/private school? DS's nursery costs more than 1.5k a month for a full-time place. Hardly free childcare.

OppsUpsSide · 28/12/2020 21:08

3.09% ?

I thought it was supposed to be less than that?

OppsUpsSide · 28/12/2020 21:09

I honestly despair at the number of children suffering mental health issues from enforced time spent with family.

Kitcat122 · 28/12/2020 21:10

@Sparklestar1 government guidelines say no PPE for teaching staff. Therefore most schools don't allow it.

Underhisi · 28/12/2020 21:11

"I honestly despair at the number of children suffering mental health issues from enforced time spent with family."

What a stupid comment.

hamstersarse · 28/12/2020 21:11

@OppsUpsSide

3.09% ?

I thought it was supposed to be less than that?

It is less than that. The poster is dramatising
Woolff · 28/12/2020 21:11

@EagleFlight However, there are lots of children out there whose main meal comes from school and who are the subject of domestic abuse and find school and safe place. Then there are the many others who will miss out so much of their education they will never get it back, never achieve their potential in life and have MH issues as a result of the lockdown. Why should all of this be put on the shoulders of schools?

GintyMcGinty · 28/12/2020 21:11
  • more concerned for their 'mental heath'?

what mental health problems are you all seeing*

Sadly the evidence is mounting that the previous lockdowns and home schooling has had a huge impact on the wellbeing, physical and mental health and education and development of children and young people.

The impact is across the board but disproportionately higher for young people living in areas of deprivation. All children are affected but the attainment gap will get even wider.

This is why keeping schools open has become a priority for all governments, irrespective of party politics.

Here are just a few of many reports.

www.mentalhealth.org.uk/publications/impacts-lockdown-mental-health-children-and-young-people

www.barnardos.org.uk/blog/youth-lockdown-their-own-words

www.dofe.org/thelatest/impact-lockdown/

youngminds.org.uk/about-us/reports/coronavirus-impact-on-young-people-with-mental-health-needs/

kowari · 28/12/2020 21:13

@OppsUpsSide

I honestly despair at the number of children suffering mental health issues from enforced time spent with family.
Not all children have been with family. Until he was sent back to school in May my teen was home alone 8 to 5.30 five days a week.
herecomesthsun · 28/12/2020 21:13

www.imperial.ac.uk/news/207273/covid-19-deaths-infection-fatality-ratio-about/

Imperial study suggesting just over 1% of people who catch covid in the developed world will die.

OppsUpsSide · 28/12/2020 21:14

@Underhisi no, there is a lot of concern about it, it is concerning

NataliaOsipova · 28/12/2020 21:14

I’m sick of seeing this 99% number. Someone the other day put that in to context. If I gave you 100 smarties and told you one of them would kill you, would you still eat one?

Context is king here. If I said that 1% of all road journeys end in an accident, would you still put your kids in the car? (US stats, but a quick Google said odds of 1:106.) Chances are that you do that everyday. And that’s a more meaningful analogy than the Smarties one, given that it’s data taken across a population, rather than assuming one person with a bag of Smarties when you know there’s 100 in there and 1 is a killer...,

OppsUpsSide · 28/12/2020 21:15

@kowari that must have been horrible, hope he’s ok.

BiBabbles · 28/12/2020 21:15

I'm no more worried about them going to school than I was pre-COVID and no more worried about COVID exposure than I am from living with two adults who work full-time outside of the home with members of the public who do things like licking and pissing on surfaces when they don't get their way. Between cleaning that up, people in their faces, and more, my older children aren't who I'm going to look to if we get ill. The school staff who deal with all that and more are more my concern with this whole situation, but none are my DC so I guess they don't fall into this question.

Having needed urgent medical appointments in the last month, and used taxis to get to them, and with the follow-up appointments in January, I think I might be a bigger potential threat to the rest of my household than my 16-year-old in his class of 8 students.

Not sure why, but the phrase "it’s time to keep our kids home safe" made me shudder. Maybe it's being a survivor of child abuse, maybe it's from having grown up in an American evangelical community where that means something very different, maybe it's having seen some of the worst in the home education community here and in the US over the years, maybe it's ignoring the adults in school, maybe it's a combination of other things, but it just feels off.

Until spring of last year, my children were all home educated. While I'm not looking forward to live online lessons with multiple children and I worry about how BTECs will be handled if it's required, I've no issue with having my children at home if that is decided to be for the best overall. I don't automatically think they - or their peers - are safer at home though.

All options have benefits and risks to weigh up. I wish more would be done to make schools better - years of budget cuts and deteoriating buildings are making this harder on staff getting too few protections - but that was a concern of mine before COVID - it's just one of many things school staff are pushed to deal with by magically pulling resources with no cost out of thin air. I'm not sure shifting everything to online learning long term is the best solutions for a lot of schools that would still be expected to handle vulnerable & keyworkers children (those that get places), plus "hopefully" exam year ones. It's seems like it could be more of a mess depending on how it's handled.

And why aren't more of you concerned about getting long Covid?

I already have conditions connected with post-viral reaction and medically traumatic events. Another is possible - in fact there are some theories that the impact of one throws off our systems in a way that makes us more vulnerable to more as it's not that unusual to have more than one - but I no more worry about that now than I did before COVID. What would being concerned about it get me that general care for the health of my household and others doesn't?

And, as comes up in many threads already, many vulnerable children did not get places last time and many of us whose children could technically be classified that way aren't. My children are young carers, our council has recognized them as such, though cuts means their father and I will pretty much have to be bedbound and needing them to administer medication before they'd get any real support. For my older children, the schools are now providing that as part of pastoral care which I'm glad for my kids and annoyed that it's another thing put on schools shoulders. I mean, yeah, it's unlikely children will get mental health support if their parents get Long COVID - children aren't get support for disabled and chronically ill parents before this, nothing in that is going to change unless people push for it. Keeping children home isn't going to change that.

Nohomemadecandles · 28/12/2020 21:17

Not concerned. At all.

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