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London Hospital declares Major Incident.

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RubyViolet · 28/12/2020 16:55

This is frightening, and it’s not the hospital that l have heard about earlier today. This is in South London and l am hearing about a hospital in North London.
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-london-queen-elizabeth-hospital-oxygen-b1779468.html

What happens next ?

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FecktheBoss · 28/12/2020 18:04

Scary times ahead I think.

ChasingRainbows19 · 28/12/2020 18:04

My trust have declared major incidents in non covid times in winter yes that’s not unusual. Yep it’s underfunded, understaffed and often a shit show in winter. NHS staff are fully aware ewe struggle though every year . Never heard of us running out of o2 though in 15 years....maybe that’s just my hospital.

Yes frequently in black status in winter too but we’ve also had that or at least red status most the year. More people are starting to come into hospital sick with non covid, weather is cold, winter viruses are spreading.

But then you throw a rapidly growing pandemic. Patients who are sick in different ways, needing longer and more intense treatments. More staff off sick or isolating than a normal year. Not as easy to redeploy staff. All other local hospitals are struggling to, so where do you divert too?

41,000 cases today and we haven’t seen the consequence admissions from Christmas socialising yet. It’s not scaremongering if it’s truth. People seem to prefer to believe hospital staff aren’t struggling and are dancing tik toks in empty wards.

RubyViolet · 28/12/2020 18:05

@Retiremental

Major incidents are often called during the winter yes. But generally because of capacity issues in A&E with elderly people lying on trollies for hours, or wards having to be shut because of outbreaks of Norovirus. Or majjor staff shortages due to unprecedented sick levels. They are rarely declared because hospitals are running out of fucking oxygen supplies for people in ARDS. The lengths that some of you will go to, to deny what is actually happening, is sickening.
I find the denial really incomprehensible. It’s happening now, maybe not where you live. As l said above. Anyone with a loved one who depends on their hospital for a condition will be worried. We deserve to know what is being done. We need reassurance from the elected officials whose job it is to make Healthcare work.
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SexTrainGlue · 28/12/2020 18:06

It's pretty rare to get a flu/noro outage as early as December. It can happen but it's a bit unusual.

Yes they happen a few times every winter lurgy season (usually unreported) but it's usually during the traditional peak of late Jan/Feb

RubyViolet · 28/12/2020 18:07

@laidbacklife

Get a grip. Major incidences are announced every year and we have an NHS that’s overwhelmed every winter. In 2018 the flu season saw severe shortage of beds and emergency measures taken. No one seemed to be too bothered then though. The NHS has an annual budget of £130 billion. They’ve had almost a year to get prepared for the inevitable winter 2nd/3rd wave and yet we’re hearing the same hysteria from them. Why on earth the Nightingales were built when the NHS couldn’t staff them is just beyond credence. Similarly their ridiculous TikTok dancing at the height of the 1st wave and the money they’ve wasted on putting out a totally unnecessary TV advert is completely incomprehensible to me. Sick to the back teeth of their scaremongering and whinging. They’d never get away with it in a private enterprise with funding to the tune of £130bn.
They have given Serco more than that for Test and Trace and that is a disaster too. This Government can’t run the proverbial piss up in a brewery.
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PandemicPavolova · 28/12/2020 18:07

I've written this before but unless you are in the situation it's hard to imagine.

My dd was on a ward full of dc with breathing issues one march. Every child had the same issue, the first time my dd had no prior issues at all. Even people with asthmatic dc said they had never ended up in hospital with it.

They had run out of breathing equipment, monitors etc. The nurse was desperately phoning all around the hospital trying to get something.
Every bed was full and this was just some strange change in air one year.

Again pre covid my df spent several hours in an ambulance before even getting to a and e!

The background once in a and e he couldn't get a ward bed.

Unless you've been in it and had to wait that longer time for an ambulance, or seen panicking staff trying to keep cool whilst sourcing equipment it's hard to understand how on your own you are.
There is no help and no one is coming.

Emeeno1 · 28/12/2020 18:09

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/four-more-english-hospitals-declare-major-incidents-over-surge-demand-9959121.html - Monday 05 January 2015

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/winter-crisis-e-hospitals-declare-black-alerts-admissions-shatter-records-full-stats-still-unpublished-9877877.html - 23rd November 2014

Just two examples of how this has been happening to the NHS every winter for a long time. Google NHS black alerts or winter crisis.

Please do not pretend this is new this year, it clearly isn't.

the80sweregreat · 28/12/2020 18:10

@SexTrainGlue

It's pretty rare to get a flu/noro outage as early as December. It can happen but it's a bit unusual.

Yes they happen a few times every winter lurgy season (usually unreported) but it's usually during the traditional peak of late Jan/Feb

I thought it had been quiet lately ( maybe done deliberately? ) These figures now are bad they are saying on the bbc news. It is so worrying and will only get worse I suppose. I feel for the NHS workers who must be fighting fire with fire just now. :(
CornforthWhite · 28/12/2020 18:11

For a long while I’ve just read the threads on MN and not really had a view about scaremongering or denials - I don’t live in the UK and we don’t have a Covid problem here. But the Saturday before Christmas my aunt died at 58 without any underlying conditions she’d shared with her family (I’m saying this as I know plenty will think, but there must have been something and maybe there was, but I’m saying it wasn’t obvious). It’s been very strange to get my head around. I’m not sure what I’m saying other than telling you - I am still in shock that it happened to someone in my family - it wasn’t just a story I read on MN or saw in the news.

SecretSpAD · 28/12/2020 18:12

Surely the Government planned for Oxygen supply. I mean this is a basic need during this Pandemic.

Sorry but 🤣🤣🤣

RubyViolet · 28/12/2020 18:14

@Emeeno1

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/four-more-english-hospitals-declare-major-incidents-over-surge-demand-9959121.html - Monday 05 January 2015

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/winter-crisis-e-hospitals-declare-black-alerts-admissions-shatter-records-full-stats-still-unpublished-9877877.html - 23rd November 2014

Just two examples of how this has been happening to the NHS every winter for a long time. Google NHS black alerts or winter crisis.

Please do not pretend this is new this year, it clearly isn't.

Nobody is denying that Hospitals have declared emergencies before.

This time however is complete different to the incidents you point to.,

These incidents are because of a lack of Oxygen for patients.

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ChasingRainbows19 · 28/12/2020 18:14

@Emeeno1 no ones pretending it doesn’t happen. It’s bad enough in a normal winter season I’ve worked 15 of them and winter pressures which really just get going in December. Hopefully some of the restrictions will dampen these illnesses a little.

But then you add in 20,000 extra people in hospital beds with covid. Surely you have to acknowledge that makes it even harder for a hospital to manage?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 28/12/2020 18:14

Does anybody have a link to a story about a hospital declaring a critical incident in previous years due to lack of O2 rather than ED/bed capacity?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 28/12/2020 18:15

I’m sorry for your loss CornforthWhite

laudemio · 28/12/2020 18:17

Fgs this is absolutely nothing like a normal winter. If you don't believe me now you will by next week.

RubyViolet · 28/12/2020 18:17

@CornforthWhite

For a long while I’ve just read the threads on MN and not really had a view about scaremongering or denials - I don’t live in the UK and we don’t have a Covid problem here. But the Saturday before Christmas my aunt died at 58 without any underlying conditions she’d shared with her family (I’m saying this as I know plenty will think, but there must have been something and maybe there was, but I’m saying it wasn’t obvious). It’s been very strange to get my head around. I’m not sure what I’m saying other than telling you - I am still in shock that it happened to someone in my family - it wasn’t just a story I read on MN or saw in the news.
Sorry for your loss.
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MrsFrisbyMouse · 28/12/2020 18:17

Yes, hospitals declare major incidents every winter.
However

  • they haven't had to run infection secure wards at this scale before (with all the PPE and infection control this means - just monitoring patients takes more time and resources)
  • they haven't had to deal with the huge levels of staff shortages due to infection (or islolation) by a novel virus
  • they have never had to deal with this level of illness requiring huge amounts of oxygen before.

This is nothing like other years - and to say otherwise is just denying everything that is currently happening on the front line.

Unsure33 · 28/12/2020 18:17

@wanderings

Why would people be mixing New Year’s Eve ? The messages have been loud and clear .

If people are ignoring the rules I dot think even this would stop them tbh

Purplethrow · 28/12/2020 18:18

@Anotherpointofview1 I don’t think people realise that it doesn’t take much for a major incident to be declared in a hospital.

Vitaminsss · 28/12/2020 18:18

I don’t think it’s that frightening as it happens frequently enough. Swear this happened on an ambulance tv show when a hospital’s A&E department was full, a major incident was similarly declared although the situation was soon sorted.

randomer · 28/12/2020 18:18

Our health services are literally being brought to their knees

No they were on their knees, now they are crawling along the floor.

Amijustagrump · 28/12/2020 18:18

DP is currently on shift in essex and he sat in a queue of ambulances for 5 hours 15 minutes! The ones arriving on blues had an hour wait too.. they cant even divert the hospital as all the others are full. 6 years in the job and this is the worst he has ever seen it!

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 28/12/2020 18:19

These figures now are bad they are saying on the bbc news. It is so worrying and will only get worse I suppose

We don't exactly know what the figures are.

If you look at today's update

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

the numbers for positive tests and deaths were updated today, but number of tests last updated 23/12 and number of hospital admissions 20/12.

There will be a catch up with the figures, possibly tomorrow as the first full working day in a while. And that might look concerning when it happens

ballsdeep · 28/12/2020 18:19

This has been the case in Wales for weeks.