Confused on the rules

[twittwootwittwoo]

Hi

My husband fell ill 23rd December and received a positive results on the 25th

I fell ill on the 25th and received a positive result this morning

I saw my parents and sister on Christmas morning before I fell ill, it literally hit me within an hour before anyone asks and we were in the correct bubble and at that point my husbands only symptom was a headache and a bit of fatigue.

Parents and sisters results are negative, question is how long do they have to isolate for?

Also we have a2 year who has tested negative but attends a child minders. How long does she have to isolate for? Is it from when my husband fell ill or from when she received her negative test (this morning )

Childminder says it's 14 days from test then she has to be re tested but I'm unsure if that's her protocol or government

Thanks

I too am confused. I stood on my sister's door step and spoke to her dp on Christmas day for all of 5 mins, I was outside he was inside, we were 6ft apart. He tested positive yesterday with a headache being his only symptom. It is unclear if I need to self isolate. My sister and 2 dn's have gone for a test this morning. If they come back negative do i need to self isolate? If they come back positive I will be hightailing it to the local test centre.

*I did not have symptoms until after my test and my parents are my support bubble as husband works nights. As soon as we got his results (he was in bed as he worked the night before) we high tailed it out of there.

It's hard for some people to believe I get that but everything was part of our normal lives and routine for us until he got the positive results. We have followed all guidelines and rules, we have not gone anywhere apart from my parents since March.*

Your husband working nights doesn't make you eligible for a support bubble, so no you haven't followed all guidelines and rules. I really wish people wouldn't claim to be in a support bubble when they aren't It potentially makes it more difficult for those of us who are eligible because people start saying things like support bubbles shouldn't be allowed to mix indoors in public spaces because too many people are claiming fake support bubbles to get round the household mixing rules.

@heydoggee

Your husband works on a COVID ward and they told him to come in while waiting for a test result, while he had Covid symptoms?

Sorry, not buying that.

I've said it many times he has one weekly as per protocol, the test wasn't because he has symptoms

@Ginogineli

if your dh was tested as part of routine then its 10 das from the date of test given his symptoms were not covid symptoms

that's how it is in my workplace.

2 days prior to test is if he was symptomatic for covid which he wasn't

given he was tested routinely there was no requirement for you or anyone in the house to isolate prior to results

Thank you this is exactly what I was trying to say to everyone but I'm getting blasted

@RichardMarxisinnocent

*I did not have symptoms until after my test and my parents are my support bubble as husband works nights. As soon as we got his results (he was in bed as he worked the night before) we high tailed it out of there.

It's hard for some people to believe I get that but everything was part of our normal lives and routine for us until he got the positive results. We have followed all guidelines and rules, we have not gone anywhere apart from my parents since March.*

Your husband working nights doesn't make you eligible for a support bubble, so no you haven't followed all guidelines and rules. I really wish people wouldn't claim to be in a support bubble when they aren't It potentially makes it more difficult for those of us who are eligible because people start saying things like support bubbles shouldn't be allowed to mix indoors in public spaces because too many people are claiming fake support bubbles to get round the household mixing rules.

Yes I do qualify for a support bubble as I was still working from home and my child minders was shut for the Christmas period. My parents looked after my daughter whilst I was on call

OP

Lots of people don't get the routine testing rules - i'm also tested weekly and i don't have to isolate between results- i'm tested every tuesday and it takes 4 days for results so i'd never be in if that was the case!!

@twittwootwittwoo
"I did not have symptoms until after my test and my parents are my support bubble as husband works nights."

That's not a reason for a support bubble, unless you have a child with a disability or they're under the age of 1?

@Senojeel77 "If they come back positive I will be hightailing it to the local test centre."

Only get a test if you have symptoms.

@Ginogineli

OP

Lots of people don't get the routine testing rules - i'm also tested weekly and i don't have to isolate between results- i'm tested every tuesday and it takes 4 days for results so i'd never be in if that was the case!!

Indeed, he has been tested every week since October, I work for social service, my work I fully aware of the situation and I am allowed to still go out in the community to visit service users. If I had to isolate every time he took a test I would unemployed

@twittwootwittwoo x posted with you. But you said you visited your relatives, not that you dropped your DD for childcare purposes? The rules are very clear that childcare bubbles are only for childcare and you can't socialise with those people.

[quote Lougle]@twittwootwittwoo
"I did not have symptoms until after my test and my parents are my support bubble as husband works nights."

That's not a reason for a support bubble, unless you have a child with a disability or they're under the age of 1?

@Senojeel77 "If they come back positive I will be hightailing it to the local test centre."

Only get a test if you have symptoms.[/quote]
We were told to get a test by his work as they have the new stronger strain. It's a good job we did as I fell ill later that day after my test and I'm positive

[quote Lougle]**@twittwootwittwoo* x posted with you. But you said you visited your relatives, not that you dropped your DD for childcare purposes? The rules are very clear that childcare bubbles are only* for childcare and you can't socialise with those people.[/quote]
Yes I visited my parents for child care purposes, instead of coming back to my house I work in their summer house when my childminder is closed for the Christmas period. No socialising no hugs no kisses no drinking cups of tea together etc

@Ginogineli

OP

Lots of people don't get the routine testing rules - i'm also tested weekly and i don't have to isolate between results- i'm tested every tuesday and it takes 4 days for results so i'd never be in if that was the case!!

Yes I do qualify for a support bubble as I was still working from home and my child minders was shut for the Christmas period. My parents looked after my daughter whilst I was on call

No you don't, unless you have a child under 1 or with a disability. Eligibility is as below:

Who can make a support bubble
Not everybody can form a support bubble. However, on 2 December the rules changed to widen eligibility for forming one.

You can form a support bubble with another household of any size if:

you live by yourself – even if carers visit you to provide support
you are the only adult in your household who does not need continuous care as a result of a disability
your household includes a child who is under the age of one or was under that age on 2 December 2020
your household includes a child with a disability who requires continuous care and is under the age of 5, or was under that age on 2 December 2020
you are aged 16 or 17 living with others of the same age and without any adults
you are a single adult living with one or more children who are under the age of 18 or were under that age on 12 June 2020

You might be eligibly for a childcare bubble, but that's different to a support bubble and doesn't allow the adults to mix or socialise indoors.

Yes I visited my parents for child care purposes, instead of coming back to my house I work in their summer house when my childminder is closed for the Christmas period. No socialising no hugs no kisses no drinking cups of tea together etc

So you haven't been in close contact with your parents and sister, therefore they don't need to self isolate?

Child care bubble then

Apologies for getting the terminology wrong

My childminder is more than happy to have my daughter, my parents are only stepping in as childcare bubble whilst she is shut for the Christmas period as I still have to work.

I only needed clarification on when my daughter has to isolate from

@RichardMarxisinnocent

Yes I visited my parents for child care purposes, instead of coming back to my house I work in their summer house when my childminder is closed for the Christmas period. No socialising no hugs no kisses no drinking cups of tea together etc

So you haven't been in close contact with your parents and sister, therefore they don't need to self isolate?

Well if I am positive (which I am) and my husband is positive surely my daughter could have carried it? My mum has a chronic lung condition and her dr told her to get a test. Thankfully she is negative

Presumably this thread has done nothing to help your confusion of isolation dates.

All isolation periods are 10 days.

DH and DC - from DH's test date
You - from your test date
Your family - from their last contact with you, so Christmas Day

Your childminder can have whatever policy they like I guess (as long as it's written down) but I'd certainly question starting from the date of their negative test, can't see what the relevance of that is. Surely whatever time period they want to apply should be from your DH's test?

@SpamIAm

Presumably this thread has done nothing to help your confusion of isolation dates.

All isolation periods are 10 days.

DH and DC - from DH's test date
You - from your test date
Your family - from their last contact with you, so Christmas Day

Your childminder can have whatever policy they like I guess (as long as it's written down) but I'd certainly question starting from the date of their negative test, can't see what the relevance of that is. Surely whatever time period they want to apply should be from your DH's test?

Thank yes this piece of information has got lost and bogged down with people trying to nit pick my life

Thank you again for the clarification, I suppose my childminder can make her own rules to keep her business safe I just wanted to make sure I was saying the right things

To clarify, everyone in the household isolates for 10 days from the first person's onset of symptoms or, if asymptomatic, their test date.

If anyone gets symptoms, they start a new 10 days, but no one else in the household gets their isolation period extended (unless of course they also go on to develop symptoms).

Ah you know how it is OP, can't pass up an opportunity to chastise people for potentially breaking the rules

@SpamIAm

Ah you know how it is OP, can't pass up an opportunity to chastise people for potentially breaking the rules

Oh I know lol

As I said before husband has a weekly test as routine and this was a routine test, it just so happened he had a headache and felt a little extra tired (not surprising as he works nights on a covid ward and half the staff are off with it)

Thank you all

I hope your mum is okay, OP.

For the sake of caution, I would keep your DD away from your parents for 10 days/2 weeks in case she is yet to get it from you. Then it's also understandable why your childminder is cautious - overly so technically. But she is wary of the virus. Surely there's a chance your husband got it from work, so your DD is yet to incubate it?

I think going by the rules your parents don't have to self isolate unless your daughter test positive - at the moment they would be counted as contacts of a contact (your DC) of a positive case (you and your DH). But obviously there is nothing to stop them being cautious and isolating anyway.

Apologies if I was a bit snippy about the support bubble thing - I live alone and have barely seen any family and friends this year due to restrictions and distance, and having a support bubble (my partner) has been an absolute lifeline. I am worried that people claiming to be in them when they aren't eligible might cause them to be scrapped, so tend to get a bit annoyed when people talk about being in a support bubble when they aren't.

So just to clarify

My husband has a routine weekly test as he works nights on a covid ward. This has been in place for weeks and weeks and I do not have to self isolate.

He had no symptoms prior other than a head ache and feeling tired (no surprise there as it's a stressful time)

He sought advice from his superiors who said to come into work as they weren't classic symptoms and at the time he felt fine.

He got a positive result Christmas morning and has gone downhill since.

I use my parents as a childcare bubble whilst I am (now was) working over the Christmas period whilst my childminder is closed for the Christmas period. My daughter and I left as soon as I knew he was positive, I stopped working for the day and took a test. Later I started going downhill too.

My parents have been told to take a test as both my husband and I are positive, they have been in contact with my daughter as childcare bubble in the days before and my mum has a lung condition. They have also been told to self isolate for ten days.

My daughter and I were advised to take a test after my husbands came back positive and I'm glad we did as I am sick as a pig and my 2 year old has epilepsy.

Hope this clears everything up for people

To be fair, if you'd said that information in the OP about his weekly test and said "childcare bubble" instead of "support bubble", you wouldn't have had those replies. People can only respond to the information that's posted.

I'm glad you're clearer about the isolation periods. Perhaps you could show your childminder the guidelines which state 10 days and she might be reassured?

@RichardMarxisinnocent

I think going by the rules your parents don't have to self isolate unless your daughter test positive - at the moment they would be counted as contacts of a contact (your DC) of a positive case (you and your DH). But obviously there is nothing to stop them being cautious and isolating anyway.

Apologies if I was a bit snippy about the support bubble thing - I live alone and have barely seen any family and friends this year due to restrictions and distance, and having a support bubble (my partner) has been an absolute lifeline. I am worried that people claiming to be in them when they aren't eligible might cause them to be scrapped, so tend to get a bit annoyed when people talk about being in a support bubble when they aren't.

That's ok, I haven't seen any friends or family either since March, save for the odd occasion my parents have stepped in as child care support.

We've always just called it a support bubble.

Don't worry I'm not offended, I've been bricking it that I gave it to my mum through my daughter and didn't want to be responsible for killing her off.