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Time to shield the shielded and let everyone else get on with it?

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GQKP · 27/12/2020 11:07

I'll start by saying I am CEV. I also have Covid.

I do go out occasionally to medical appointments or for a drive. I sometimes see friends from at least 5m away in the front garden (as I'm unable to walk distance).

I've no idea how I've got this. I can not tell you how super careful I am with space, hand sanitiser / washing hands / PPE and basically not going out.

But I got Covid.

I'm not sure we can stop or contain Covid. I really have gotten to the the point where I believe that CEV are financially supported to stay isolated and everyone else gets on with it.

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GQKP · 27/12/2020 11:56

Nurses, social care, carers are all getting the injection. Teachers should get it too.

Many CEV have already been living apart from their families - as have my own. We are going to have to continue doing so anyway ! So yes. Get it over and done with.

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madroid · 27/12/2020 11:56

Stop it please. I can't bear to read another ignorant opinion saying only the 'vulnerable' are at risk. Do your bloody homework fgs before you post such ignorant nonsense.

RaininSummer · 27/12/2020 11:57

As Grey said 40 to 60s are a bit vulnerable but mostly can't shield and have to go to work so I would appreciate the rest of you continuing to be careful thanks.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 27/12/2020 11:57

@Orf1abc

* 'Them' being CEV people. Those on disability benefits already receive the bare minimum.
Disability benefits aren't bare minimum though. Don't get me wrong, I fully support financial help for those who genuinely can't work, I would always advocate for it. I am appointee for my mothers finances, she is on disability benefit (including all the other benefits which make up her monthly amount) and it is far from the bare minimum. She has the same monthly income as I do and I'm a registered nurse working 30 hours per week!
AldiAisleofCrap · 27/12/2020 11:57

@GQKP how can you not understand that people who are CEV do not live in isolation. Around 40% of the country would need to shield for that to work.

AldiAisleofCrap · 27/12/2020 11:58

@GQKP also have you never heard of long Covid, you are very naive op and that’s putting it nicely!

LittleSpyintheSky · 27/12/2020 11:58

OP, please have a little look at my CPAP thread. I have just returned home from being in hospital - literally in one of those life and death situations. I consider myself to be lucky to have survived. I am 61 years old.

When I was in hospital, there were people much younger than me, fighting for their lives. One, who was in her 40s, had to go to ICU as she was so poorly. Two women, who were happily ready to be discharged, were no older than in their early 30s.

Two elderly women died in my ward when I was fighting for oxygen.

This is NOT something to mess with. Keep away from it, keep it away from those you love. Help keep us all safe. Please do this. The vaccination will soon be here to give us our normality back. But we have to show more patience in the meantime.

frosted232 · 27/12/2020 11:58

@MichelleScarn

So in being CEV you are wanting you to be fully financially looked after, and the rest of us to go out to work and accept the risk?
Some of us have been taking the risk since March and not had the luxury of staying home safe so yes, it's time to shield the vulnerable and get back to normal.
fluffi · 27/12/2020 12:01

@GQKP Hope you have a mild case

Have you been to an appt in last 2 weeks? Do you live with others? How do you get your food, medication and other deliveries? Could it have been from one of those?

Interested because wondering if I need to take additional precautions to protect CEVs around me Sad

Cornettoninja · 27/12/2020 12:02

It’s utterly bizzare that with a working vaccine and an easily distributable one almost at the finish line people are still bleating on this view. This would make the past year for nothing if we went down this road. I certainly didn’t go through all of this just to Chuck in the towel now.

It’s idiotic to think that this is only about deaths when currently hospitals are stuffed full of people who are very ill but not likely to die. It shows a lack of the basic understanding of economics and human psychology to not grasp the sub-headings of the issues created by this pandemic and the impacts one thing has on others. If you can’t at least acknowledge the real world consequences of your proposal then you should expect to be treated like an idiot.

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GQKP · 27/12/2020 12:05

I'm really not disagreeing with anyone here. Yes others are vulnerable, I'm more than aware than that.

But what all you non CEV folk don't seem to understand that my version of 'getting back to normal' and yours is very different.

I'm not saying whip off your masks and hug. Far from it but going into a shop to me is 'getting on with it'.

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thetoughhaveleft · 27/12/2020 12:12

You do know that children are counted amongst the CEV folk don't you op? What should they/their parents do?

MichelleScarn · 27/12/2020 12:12

@frosted232 I have as well, have been grateful that I've actually had some time away from work over the festive period so have also not had this luxury! Was just slightly annoyed by OPs words of 'everyone else gets on with it' I bloody have!

Cornettoninja · 27/12/2020 12:14

But what all you non CEV folk don't seem to understand

How do you know whose who? You can only speak for yourself.

madroid · 27/12/2020 12:15

Oh give over @GQKP I know loads of people who've very sensibly only shopped online/clickncollect since March.

As cornettoninja says above, the vaccine is set to change everything with a few months anyway (even if what you said made any sense) so it's a non argument now.

rainbowruthie · 27/12/2020 12:16

@Greysparkles

The reality is this infection kills a minority,and of those the majority are at the end of their lives anyway

Honestly I fucking despair.

You do realise its not the 70-90 year olds on ventilators?
It's the "previously healthy" 40-60

So yea, let's let it spread exponentially, without even bothering to try and mitigate the spread and see what happen eh?
Want to take a guess as to how that would play out?

The death age average would go down that's for sure! When doctors have to choose which person gets the bed.

The people taking up space in hospital are not at the end of their fucking lives! Most get better and go home, but that takes time, resources, staff and treatment. If all that wasn't available then they wouldn't survive!

Well said, couldn't agree more
Madhairday · 27/12/2020 12:25

@Cornettoninja

It’s utterly bizzare that with a working vaccine and an easily distributable one almost at the finish line people are still bleating on this view. This would make the past year for nothing if we went down this road. I certainly didn’t go through all of this just to Chuck in the towel now.

It’s idiotic to think that this is only about deaths when currently hospitals are stuffed full of people who are very ill but not likely to die. It shows a lack of the basic understanding of economics and human psychology to not grasp the sub-headings of the issues created by this pandemic and the impacts one thing has on others. If you can’t at least acknowledge the real world consequences of your proposal then you should expect to be treated like an idiot.

This. It's baffling that people are still spouting this utter rubbish when it's been so soundly debunked by actual...oh, you know, scientists, specialists in epidemiology as well as in economics.

I'm so done with seeing these posts. But feeling raw with a friend in her 40s very seriously ill in ICU with covid today so bound to have very little patience for this utter bullshit.

Cornettoninja · 27/12/2020 12:31

Sorry to hear about your friend @madhairday. Fingers crossed for both of you that some good news comes through soon Flowers

Saltn · 27/12/2020 12:32

And how many of those 40-60 year olds in ICU are CEV? Quite a few I should think. We have all had our lives on hold for what? What about those with other conditions? What about peoples businesses? Education?

Madhairday · 27/12/2020 12:33

Thanks, Cornetto. She went downhill so quickly :(

Cornettoninja · 27/12/2020 12:40

Quite a few I should think

Ah well if you think that then we should absolutely go ahead with just isolating the CEV /s

What’s so bad about admitting you have no idea what you’re talking about? Is it an ego thing? Narcissism?

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 27/12/2020 12:45

I don't really understand your position OP. You were happy shielding but now you've had it you think shielding is pointless? Or you think shielding should be more rigorous?
You don't seem to understand other people aren't in the same situation as you and shielding isn't simple for many people.

Saltn · 27/12/2020 12:53

Grin at being accused at being a narcissist just because I am questioning the covid restrictions. That is MN at it's best and most ridiculous. Grin

Greysparkles · 27/12/2020 12:54

And how many of those 40-60 year olds in ICU are CEV? Quite a few I should think

Think again

merrymouse · 27/12/2020 12:54

If this was actually a viable option, you can bet the UK government would already have taken it. It's not as if they are known for their benevolence to the vulnerable.

Very much agree.

The tiers aren't based simply on infection rates. They are calculated by looking at hospital resources.

This isn't going to go on forever. People are already being vaccinated, but letting everyone else 'just get on with it' would just make that more difficult.

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