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Rules for vaccinated?

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MummaBear4321 · 26/12/2020 20:04

DH has just been speaking to his GPs who both have had the first dose of covid vaccine and will be fully vaccinated in 3 weeks time. They have completely isolated from everyone and everything since March. We said 'it will be amazing for you to have your freedom again' and he said that he wasnt sure he would have freedom as he has seen no mention of those who are vaccinated being able to see family.

Does anyone know will the vaccinated be able to mix in the world again, move between tiers, take flights, see low risk family members? The thought that after all the waiting, they would still not be able to go anywhere or see anyone, I felt so bad for them. Has there been anything from the government about this?

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PaddyF0dder · 26/12/2020 22:33

I’m a doctor. I’m a few weeks away from my second dose of vaccine.

Most of my friends are doctors, and are in the same situation. So, interestingly, in less than a month almost my entire social circle will be immune.

But yeah, no special rules as of yet. It’s a shame. Logically, there shouldn’t be any issue with us all meeting to play board games in a month. But we’ll follow the rules until the rules change.

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MummaBear4321 · 26/12/2020 23:20

I was wondering that too, whether vaccinated people would be able to meet other vaccinated people, as logically they present nearly no risk to each other and nobody else by meeting. It will be interesting to see how many people will do as you intend to and follow the rules because they are told to, and how many people will think 'this makes no sense' and do what they want leaving the rest of us who are, as a PP said, at the bottom of the list for vaccinations living under restrictions because we have to do our societal duty.

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Hardbackwriter · 26/12/2020 23:31

@110APiccadilly

"Originally my thought process was more about what the vaccinated can do; could they fly, "

In my defence, I have a young baby, so I'm fairly sleep deprived, but I did think for a moment there that you were talking about super powers.

OverTheRainbow88 · 27/12/2020 05:37

Logically, there shouldn’t be any issue with us all meeting to play board games in a month. But we’ll follow the rules until the rules change.

I’m so glad they are vaccinating the doctors.

I also think if the vaccinated could start meeting socially then the amount of non vaccinating people would stop engaging in the rules as well. A lot of my friends have been vaccinated and I won’t be but I would be super tempted to go if they all met up socially.

LovingLen · 27/12/2020 06:58

Having the vaccine for older and vulnerable people means that they will be able to follow the normal Covid rules rather than the very strict ones that they may have been following, this is what I thought anyway. So they can go out shopping or to a restaurant if the rules allow or see relatives and friends

Mousehole10 · 27/12/2020 09:12

@OverTheRainbow88

Logically, there shouldn’t be any issue with us all meeting to play board games in a month. But we’ll follow the rules until the rules change.

I’m so glad they are vaccinating the doctors.

Well yes, if the vaccinated start breaking rules and meeting up with family and friends then so will I. I’m low risk so what does it matter?

Tiquismiquis · 27/12/2020 09:49

It does become a challenge to know what’s best. I’ve had covid so my risk of getting it again is low. I’d still have to self isolate etc but It has been quite freeing psychologically knowing it’s already happened. Presumably there will be a tipping point where x% have had it and x% have had the vaccine when cases/severity of cases will drop massively.

U8myufo · 27/12/2020 09:50

So we have this you can only be my friend if you're vaccinated type scenario. How weird! What makes people think that everyone will reveal their 'vaccination status' to others? It is personal medical information after all. It's a very simplistic way of thinking that would create a bizarre society.

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MummaBear4321 · 27/12/2020 13:26

@U8myufo I think the world is pretty bizarre already and is only going to get more bizarre IMO.

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Scottishgirl85 · 27/12/2020 13:39

Vaccinated should continue to follow the rules until more is known. My friend caught covid 10 days after vaccination of 1st dose...

mandaloriancovid · 27/12/2020 13:50

The only thing I would get annoyed is that travel companies would require vaccination before travel. If you are on the bottom of the list you would need to wait awhile before you could fly. In that case I hope there is a possibility for a private jab.

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MummaBear4321 · 27/12/2020 14:42

ye I am not surprised @Scottishgirl85. The vaccine doesnt give immunity 7 days after the 2nd dose is given at 21 days, so 28 days total. Thats known already.

@mandaloriancovid this is what concerns me. My family live in Ireland and my mom is due to get the vaccine at the end of Jan (works in a care home), my Dad wont be til maybe May-ish (60, no health conditions) and I am bottom of the list with two kids under 3. I really wont be happy if simply because of my age I have to wait another year to be able to see them because only vaccinated will be able to fly. I got pregnant and gave birth in the time between the first lockdown and now. I haven't had my family for any of it. My DD taps the TV when she misses her Nanny and wants to speak to her on our portal. I am not sure how accepting I would be of the restrictions I live under if my 80 year old neighbours were freely able to swan off to Majorca by March.

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HelloMissus · 27/12/2020 14:46

I think we’ll struggle to keep the vaccintated indoors TBH.
I can see my mum on the first train to see me after her jabs

Kazzyhoward · 27/12/2020 14:50

@mandaloriancovid

It's unlikely to be the travel companies who make the rules - if it happens, it will be the destination country who imposed rules re vaccinations etc, i.e. no vaccination, no entry. Travel firms will be desperate for business, it won't be them who applies vaccine rules, but of course, they have to abide by what other countries impose as to entry requirements.

sirfredfredgeorge · 27/12/2020 14:51

I think we’ll struggle to keep the vaccintated indoors TBH

Then they need to get fined, called out for being killers, shamed and all the disgusting calls that people have made repeatedly for the young, endless rants about being in it together etc.

There are millions of people who have no personal risk to covid, millions who are harmed sometimes seriously by restrictions and unlike the vulnerable have done it for purely altruistic purposes (or perhaps due to fear of reprisals) inter-generational relationships were not good before covid, not following the restrictions because they're not at personal risk will make that much worse.

But absolutely these groups need to start getting out again and getting some fitness back, and less isolated, those two things actually increase the risk of death more than covid for most people over a few year timescale.

EmmanuelleMakro · 27/12/2020 14:52

My parents have bee vaccinated (first dose) and plan is that 2weeks after their second dose I will visit them - I imagine that most people are thinking along those lines.

PaddyF0dder · 27/12/2020 14:54

@EmmanuelleMakro

Absolutely.

I’ve not seen my parents since February. As soon as they’re immune, I’ll be jumping on a plane to go see them. Enough is enough.

Mousehole10 · 27/12/2020 15:14

@EmmanuelleMakro

My parents have bee vaccinated (first dose) and plan is that 2weeks after their second dose I will visit them - I imagine that most people are thinking along those lines.

So do you think I should have been seeing my parents this whole time then? All low risk, but haven’t seen them because of the rules, made to keep people like your parents safe. Shall I just go see my parents now? It would you be upset if everyone low risk did that before your parents have had the chance to have their second dose and therefore may catch it before they’re immune?

I’m sick of this, I’ve stuck to everything all year to protect the vulnerable, there’s no way I’m sticking to it now if they don’t have the same courtesy once they are also low risk. I’m going to visit my family now and screw everything.

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MummaBear4321 · 27/12/2020 15:23

Judging from your response @Mousehole (which, btw, is a very justified response) many people are going to feel extremely upset at the idea that us who were low risk made massive sacrifices, not because the virus was a problem for us, but because we were told we had to be miserable and alone to save the at risk people. Now, many of the at risk will no longer be at risk, and they will be happy to see family as they have missed them, but you and I will continue to miss our family but still be told we must sacrifice for the good of others rather than ourselves.

When I started this thread I geneuinely just thought 'ah it will be nice for DH if he could see his GPs'. I hadn't thought beyond to how the whole thing will be received by those of us who are bottom of the vaccine list. It's a very unstable situation. I cant see many ECV staying indoors for altruistic reasons, and I cant see young people being happy seeing the ECV visiting family while restrictions are still in place after we stuck to rules to protect the ECV. It may all just fall apart. There may be very few left who are willing to follow orders blindly.

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JovialNickname · 27/12/2020 15:34

I too am surprised that the same people who were militant about telling the low risk to stay indoors for the greater good, are now the same people saying they will be jumping on planes etc to see their parents once they have been vaccinated! The vaccination only puts the vulnerable in the same position that us healthy folk have been in all year - i.e. we're at fuck all risk ourselves, but we have to follow the restrictions anyway. Vaccination doesn't give a free pass to do what you want (at least until all the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated!) it just puts you in the same category as the rest of us, i.e. still not allowed to do anything lest you infect a high risk stranger.

EmmanuelleMakro · 27/12/2020 15:40

I won’t be jumping on a plane but yes I will
be seeing my parents. I will get in my car and drive to the putting none of theses putatively ‘high risk’ in any danger. For context, I am a secondary teacher who had been mixing, perfectly legally, with hundreds of people daily since September. I must killed many nite ax a result of that than my 3 hour round trip in my own car to see my parents.

bengalcat · 27/12/2020 15:42

Vaccinated or not you still have to obey the law / guidelines for your tier . As levels of infection , hospitalisation , deaths fall then there will be adjustment of tiers accordingly .

Mousehole10 · 27/12/2020 15:44

@EmmanuelleMakro

I won’t be jumping on a plane but yes I will be seeing my parents. I will get in my car and drive to the putting none of theses putatively ‘high risk’ in any danger. For context, I am a secondary teacher who had been mixing, perfectly legally, with hundreds of people daily since September. I must killed many nite ax a result of that than my 3 hour round trip in my own car to see my parents.

Well you would be putting people at high risk at risk if your a secondary teacher. If your parents transmit the virus to you (as could be possible even if they’ve had the vaccine), you could pass it to any number of high risk families at your school. Did you read my post? Are you happy for me to see all my family now then before your parents have had the chance to become immune?

Egghead68 · 27/12/2020 15:47

I should be getting my second dose soon.
I’ll be following the tier 4 rules (after getting an antibody test to check the vaccine has worked) rather than shielding as I have been since March, although I have not been told officially that I can stop shielding. I can’t wait!

EmmanuelleMakro · 27/12/2020 15:50

Sure - I think people should see their parents if they want to -you have my permission 😀

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