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If next Christmas is like this one will you still be following rules?

166 replies

elleps · 25/12/2020 18:50

Miserable pessimistic post alert. Feel free to hide the thread!

Just wondering who would carry on with following on with these rules if we are in the same boat next year?

I can completely see things staying like this for many months to come. People will say otherwise, that there’s a vaccine and that things are going the right way. But then nobody thought in March that we would be sat like this on Christmas Day. So I don’t hold out much hope.

Things can’t carry on like this beyond March surely, even if the virus is still spreading as it is?

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Floraflower3 · 26/12/2020 11:53

@ MorrisZapp No one is winning. It depends on when you turn up to hospital and what beds are available. If you’re having a heart attack and there’s one more space on a non-COVID ward, great, but now all the wards are full, what about the people that turn up after? In non-COVID times obviously there would be more capacity so this wouldn’t be a problem but now it is. Then there’s a mad panic of trying to discharge people to free up space.

movingonup20 · 26/12/2020 11:54

I'm not, we are seeing our young adult kids, they need us

the80sweregreat · 26/12/2020 11:54

Too many covid deniers around still.
If you read the daily mail comments most people would think it's all made up and an overreaction
I know someone whose partner is currently in hospital fighting for his life and he was the same. Fit and healthy before
It can affect anyone.
I know it's been so hard for people but the government can't win here whatever they do
I'm in a 4 area and it's totally horrible but I can see why they have to do this even if I don't like it much !
It's so difficult

eeeyulesmiles · 26/12/2020 12:00

I don't understand this. Are you saying that maternity wards will be given over to Covid patients? Why would this happen? No doctor on earth is going to prioritise an elderly patient above a woman in childbirth.

If hospitals can't treat all the covid patients who need treatment, including lots of middle-aged people who can't just be prevented from trying to go to hospital by their nursing home, and there are potentially hundreds of these patients kept out because we've just let covid spread indiscriminately, things will be chaotic. It won't be a calm ordered process of prioritisation. Physical access to hospitals will need to be controlled if numbers are high enough. You'll get people without covid not even making it in to be triaged, even if they would be picked over a covid patient if they were triaged.

It's also unlikely, if numbers keep shooting up, that doctors will be choosing between elderly people with covid and pregnant women, as the elderly people are less likely to have made it to the hospital in the first place. They could be choosing between patients of similar ages with different conditions. A woman in labour might have the best chance of care or of having her ambulance get through, but what about the one who gave birth three weeks ago and who now has a high fever that might be covid, or might be from an infection following giving birth? When she arrives and is triaged in the queue outside, is she treated as a covid patient or an obstetric one, or both? Picture these people queuing up to be triaged outside a hospital that's overwhelmed, and where staff sickness, isolation and burnout will be affecting all departments, not just covid care. It will be awful.

WheresTheEvidence · 26/12/2020 12:19

I had Christmas alone.

I've seen my niece for one afternoon when she was 5 weeks she's now almost 6 months.

I'm spending next Christmas with my niece regardless.

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 26/12/2020 21:11

these restrictions are not sustainable long term, it’s all fine and well furlough being extended until April but those who were going to lose their jobs are still going to lose them and again the self employed are falling through the cracks.

Lots of businesses spent time and money making themselves covid secure and in my opinion should have been then protected from closing in further lockdowns it’s ridiculous. As for the government thinking they can continue to dictate to people who they can see and when In their own private homes, well that has began to wear thin

LitPeach · 26/12/2020 21:38

Frankly there will never be a ‘normal’. We will have significant restrictions and measures in place forever. Or at least until we have a vaccine that prevents transmission.

Even if people do not suffer severe symptoms, there is still the issue of Long Covid. This will cause permanent disability in millions of people if COVID is left to run unchecked.

Even a mild illness could leave people unable to work for weeks also.

I suspect we will never again see large events like concerts and conferences. Christmas will need to be celebrated via zoom for the foreseeable future. All in order to save lives and keep people safe.

I’m afraid the sooner we all accept that live will never go back to normal, the better.

bigchris · 26/12/2020 21:41

I suspect we will never again see large events like concerts and conferences

I don't think this is true at all

Dongdingdong · 26/12/2020 21:45

Frankly there will never be a ‘normal’. We will have significant restrictions and measures in place forever. Or at least until we have a vaccine that prevents transmission.

@LitPeach and yet we got past the bubonic plague and the Spanish flu, among many other pandemics. But Covid is different of course Hmm

Hardbackwriter · 26/12/2020 21:46

@LitPeach - tip for the future, the post read like it might be genuine at the beginning but by the end it was obviously not. If you're trying to troll undetected you might want to keep it a bit subtler.

Dongdingdong · 26/12/2020 21:46

I don't think this is true at all

No, it’s scaremongering shite, that’s what it is!

bigchris · 26/12/2020 21:48

I'd love no work conferences though Grin

DecemberDiana · 26/12/2020 21:48

Once this winter is over we will have a vaccine roll out plus a percentage of people with some natural immunity after having had the infection.

Things will be looking much brighter.

Dongdingdong · 26/12/2020 21:50

I'd love no work conferences though

Ha

Hardbackwriter · 26/12/2020 21:52

@bigchris

I'd love no work conferences though Grin
I think it was the point where I started missing the shit coffee and pastries and awkward small talk of a work conference that I knew lockdown had got to me... Though they are even shitter online.
Ginger1982 · 26/12/2020 21:53

@LitPeach

Frankly there will never be a ‘normal’. We will have significant restrictions and measures in place forever. Or at least until we have a vaccine that prevents transmission.

Even if people do not suffer severe symptoms, there is still the issue of Long Covid. This will cause permanent disability in millions of people if COVID is left to run unchecked.

Even a mild illness could leave people unable to work for weeks also.

I suspect we will never again see large events like concerts and conferences. Christmas will need to be celebrated via zoom for the foreseeable future. All in order to save lives and keep people safe.

I’m afraid the sooner we all accept that live will never go back to normal, the better.

Rubbish.
PandemicPavolova · 26/12/2020 21:57

I did think winter would be bad and I understand that lock downs help to ride the wave and buy us time rather than cure anything at the moment... I'm sure this winter is going to nasty, esp if they force us to send dc to school... However.. I'm positive by next Christmas we will have a handle on it, more countries have vaccine roll out...

MadameBlobby · 26/12/2020 21:59

@LitPeach

Frankly there will never be a ‘normal’. We will have significant restrictions and measures in place forever. Or at least until we have a vaccine that prevents transmission.

Even if people do not suffer severe symptoms, there is still the issue of Long Covid. This will cause permanent disability in millions of people if COVID is left to run unchecked.

Even a mild illness could leave people unable to work for weeks also.

I suspect we will never again see large events like concerts and conferences. Christmas will need to be celebrated via zoom for the foreseeable future. All in order to save lives and keep people safe.

I’m afraid the sooner we all accept that live will never go back to normal, the better.

I’ll bet this poster was typing “Mark my words, there will never be a vaccine” a couple of months ago.

What I want to know is what you get out of posting such shit?

Quartz2208 · 26/12/2020 22:11

I think that some things will change (working from home etc, keeping in touch via Zoom) but things will get back to normal

We have managed to get through worst pandemics than this with far less medical knowledge than we have now

The way this current strain is blowing it way through I think it could be over quicker than you think

We have just had it (out tomorrow) and it was (for us) like a cold - quite a few people I know have it (tier 4 london) and it all very much like that

Mousehole10 · 26/12/2020 22:12

@LitPeach

Frankly there will never be a ‘normal’. We will have significant restrictions and measures in place forever. Or at least until we have a vaccine that prevents transmission.

Even if people do not suffer severe symptoms, there is still the issue of Long Covid. This will cause permanent disability in millions of people if COVID is left to run unchecked.

Even a mild illness could leave people unable to work for weeks also.

I suspect we will never again see large events like concerts and conferences. Christmas will need to be celebrated via zoom for the foreseeable future. All in order to save lives and keep people safe.

I’m afraid the sooner we all accept that live will never go back to normal, the better.

Feel free to do all your future Christmas on zoom but I won’t be. There may be no normal for you ever if you choose to lock yourself away, but for the rest of us there will be. I’ll be choosing to see family soon anyway, that’s the start of my normal. If I get a £100 fine so be it, I can afford it. But pretty sure no one will give me one.
TheKeatingFive · 26/12/2020 23:02

Frankly there will never be a ‘normal’. We will have significant restrictions and measures in place forever.

😂

Yeah. Right.

Tootletum · 26/12/2020 23:04

Nope, no fucking way. My parents and in laws will be vaccinated and we will be having Christmas with them. There isn't forever to spend with them and my kids have already lost so much time with them.

TheGreatWave · 26/12/2020 23:17

@Floraflower3

@ MorrisZapp No one is winning. It depends on when you turn up to hospital and what beds are available. If you’re having a heart attack and there’s one more space on a non-COVID ward, great, but now all the wards are full, what about the people that turn up after? In non-COVID times obviously there would be more capacity so this wouldn’t be a problem but now it is. Then there’s a mad panic of trying to discharge people to free up space.
So like every winter then.

Rapid discharges have always been a thing, as has trying to find beds. I was last working on a ward 20 years ago and it happened then.

Maternity units often have to close their doors.

The NHS runs above capacity every winter.

Shodan · 27/12/2020 00:29

Frankly there will never be a ‘normal’. We will have significant restrictions and measures in place forever

God you talk a lot of shite.

Bluemooninmyeyes1 · 27/12/2020 00:43

@Shodan the government has proven it can have full control over its population. It’s every government’s dream- why would they want this to end?