Private nursery

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Will they open in January or are we thinking it’s unlikely? One of us is a key worker, the other one isn’t.

[quote DfEisashambles]@Scottishskifun you are fully deluded. Please go spend a day with a nanny, childminder or nursery to see the reality of social distancing with babies and toddlers.[/quote]
Oh this has made me laugh.
@Scottishskifun if it were allowed I will welcome you with open arms to my SEN classroom where we are in constant physical contact all day.

Which, before you argue that that's different because it's an SEN school or something , is exactly the same as my daughter's private nursery where the staff are in... Constant physical contact all day.

Which... If you needed proof, PHE told us when we had a massive outbreak we were at more risk than hospital staff because we deal with bodily fluids of unwell children all day with no PPE

Anyway as you were yes ventilation is fantastic.

[quote DfEisashambles]@Scottishskifun you are fully deluded. Please go spend a day with a nanny, childminder or nursery to see the reality of social distancing with babies and toddlers.[/quote]
Definitely not deluded my child spends minimum 75% of the day outside at his nursery regardless of the weather. My DH does covid response nurseries are listed very few times as a place of contact/been compared to weekly supermarket/gym/pub of confirmed positive cases.
My SIL is also a nursery worker yes there is contact between children and nursery workers didn't say there wasn't but young children are not the superspreaders they are made out to be! The greatest risk of transmission is from adult to adult contact and poorly ventilated environments.

I agree with @Scottishskifun I'm a childminder and I think we're at lower risk than mixing with adults in the supermarket. Yes there's no social distancing but children in general are lower risk

@Scottishskifun you are cbasing this on your personal experiences of your child spending 75% of the time outdoors.

You are deluded and continue to argue the case for supermarket workers over the people that look after your child in close proximity and are paid probably a pittance with that level of responsibility.

Let’s leave it here please I do not have the energy to reason with a person who sees things like you.

@OpheliasCrayon yes, it makes sense the level of risk due to bodily fluids, close proximity etc.

@Looneytune253 Oh dear, you might want to read the current situation re young children spreading and inform yourself.

[quote DfEisashambles]@Scottishskifun have you heard about who are the greatest spreaders of covid strains now? I suggest you read the papers[/quote]
Yes hence stating this is being investigated in a earlier post!

@OpheliasCrayon classroom environments are more tricky higher numbers (I know SENS are lower ratios) but a larger percentage of the day is spent indoors.
Social distancing measures also don't make a difference in poorly ventilated environments quite a few global studies have shown that with positive cases throughout offices due to build up of particles in the air hence schools being told to keep windows open all year round and government advice of open your windows if having people around at Xmas.

It’s Xmas Eve I’m off to get merry.

Nurseries won’t close. Hope everyone enjoys this evening and tomorrow

My nursery spent virtually no time outside this week due to the bad weather. We cannot keep chucking children out to play in rain and freezing weather.

Not forgetting it gets dark from about 3pm.

[quote DfEisashambles]@Scottishskifun you are cbasing this on your personal experiences of your child spending 75% of the time outdoors.

You are deluded and continue to argue the case for supermarket workers over the people that look after your child in close proximity and are paid probably a pittance with that level of responsibility.

Let’s leave it here please I do not have the energy to reason with a person who sees things like you.[/quote]
I see things based on global research studies, physical numbers that come through weekly, measures set in place by a large proportion of nurseries.

The new strain does need further research especially in relation to children but childcare settings (especially 0-5) are not the highest risk setting they currently aren't even in the high category.

That's meat and fish processing places BTW if you wished to know due to the lower temperature having to be maintained, proximity of workers to each other and ventilation systems.

Last guidance i read publishec 17th December i think said . Early years to open as normal January.. we don't tend to be given notice.

@Scottishskifun yeah about that .. I have less children in my class than a nursery, and we spend a large amount of our day outside because if we didn't open the door the children would just get out the window.

I really wish that people like you would like.... Find some actual provable facts before you tell others what you think their work situations are like with absolutely no substantial evidence whatsoever.

I can confirm that the risk that we are at in SEN, is exactly the same as a preschool / nursery, which, as has been verified by the public health england is putting us at more risk than a hospital.

I'll be gladly waiting for you to tell me why my day to day reality, and therefore because it's just the same level as contact / outside time as a nurserys day to day reality... Is in fact not reality according to you.

@ OpheliasCrayon I go by what is published by scientific advisors www.ndna.org.uk/NDNA/Knowledge_Hub/Coronavirus/infection_control_nursery_coronavirus_COVID-19.aspx which states in line with scientific advisers nursery settings are lower risk.

I don't know what you're place of work involves only the nursery guidance and my sons nursery.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-early-years-and-childcare-closures/coronavirus-covid-19-early-years-and-childcare-closures#funding-and-business-support

Updated full guidance for early years, including a section on charging (or rather not charging) parents if we're closed.

So far there has been no indication that we'll need to close, but there was only 2 days notice given to us last time.

Also, there is no requirement to socially distance within bubbles for early years settings. It's acknowledged by the govt that it's impossible/undesirable to achieve.

We didn't charge parents a penny last time we had to close. It has left us in a very precarious position, as we obviously still had costs.

@Scottishskifun

@ OpheliasCrayon I go by what is published by scientific advisors www.ndna.org.uk/NDNA/Knowledge_Hub/Coronavirus/infection_control_nursery_coronavirus_COVID-19.aspx which states in line with scientific advisers nursery settings are lower risk.

I don't know what you're place of work involves only the nursery guidance and my sons nursery.

Big difference between the following :

Government advice and reality
Scientific research and actual day to day practice
People who work in nurseries and schools telling you their situation and what you think

Have a lovely Xmas. Im done.

God I hope so. Working at home with toddlers will just feel so much harder second time around

I'm worried about this too. My son hasn't even finished his settling in visits yet. We are both key workers and can't work from home so I hope they're open but it has been on my mind.

The thing is even if you can wfh it doesn’t mean you can look after a young child at the same time. No chance.

OpheliasCrayon I do not expect you to be going to work with nowhere for your nursery child to be. I agree with the scientific evidence which is currently stating that all schools need to be shut to try & slow down the virus. Those teaching Nursery children & SEN students are both in the similar position that they are unable to social distance from their students. Atm this is not safe especially with these new strains. Having already had one family member die in lockdown, I am hoping I do not catch covid & pass it onto anyone who is then hospitalised due to it. Good luck to all teaching staff, children & families in January.

@Badgerstmary

OpheliasCrayon I do not expect you to be going to work with nowhere for your nursery child to be. I agree with the scientific evidence which is currently stating that all schools need to be shut to try & slow down the virus. Those teaching Nursery children & SEN students are both in the similar position that they are unable to social distance from their students. Atm this is not safe especially with these new strains. Having already had one family member die in lockdown, I am hoping I do not catch covid & pass it onto anyone who is then hospitalised due to it. Good luck to all teaching staff, children & families in January.

Whilst I'm sorry that you've lost a relative, sen settings cannot and should not shut. Children who are vulnerable should be in school. Many children who's parents may not choose to send them also need to be in school because safeguarding issues mean that it's school where we can keep an eye on them. Schools should not shut. I'm sorry this disagrees with the science but I do not think the majority of people realize the severity of the situation and the implications if schools are not open and children are not there.

And no I'm not just being callous and I'm not just saying this without any idea what it is to lose someone, because I've lost one of my children. Not to covid no, but ive lost one of my children so yes I do understand the implications of losing those dearest to us.

However, unless you do, truly know what some families and what some children face, I do not think that you are in the place to comment that because of your personal experience alone schools and nurseries should shut.

There is more to school than childcare and teaching. We are the people who keep the most vulnerable safe, in so many ways.

Unless you see what many of us see, you're in no place to tell us we should shut. And if you don't see what we see count yourselves lucky.

I furthermore believe all schools should be open and we should be able to continue to provide for children because if we don't, the most extremely vulnerable children get missed, and lost, and that is incredibly dangerous. Much more dangerous than covid. But those children don't have families that will necessarily bring them in , so schools need to remain open so they therefore have to come .

If we are trying to implement covid measures to protect the vulnerable (I'm supposed to be shielding so my going isn't without risk to me but I don't wish to sheild and never have done) then we also need to keep schools open and mandate attendence to keep the most vulnerable children safe.

Vulnerability in this situation is not just vulnerability to the illness.

If I could effectively work from home without nursery I wouldn’t have been paying them £1k a month for the privilege... this with set women in particular back even further in the workplace

OrpheliasCrayon you do not know my life circumstances as I do not know yours. I do understand the need for vulnerable children to be in school & key worker children. I also understand the need for other children too. However, I also understand the science. Whatever is done will not be right for some people. I will be teaching from 4th January, in person, with no PPE. I do not feel safe at work due to health conditions however I will be there unless the government closes my workplace.

@Mamagotskills

If I could effectively work from home without nursery I wouldn’t have been paying them £1k a month for the privilege... this with set women in particular back even further in the workplace

And yet you want women, as let’s face it nurseries are staffed by women to risk their health so you can work.

Honestly, I can’t believe how selfish some people on here are. There is no social distancing, no PPE. Nothing. Kids spread germs

But you want a sector of the work force to risk their health so people can work from home.

They are people too, not just fodder. The staff deserve protection just like everyone else.

There are so many things that could be put in place to support the safety of staff and maintain some services.

We could all wear PPE, work in groups smaller than 8, we could take the children’s temps when they come in.