Deaths and those under 50

[Sallygoround631]

Was just perusing the 'collective insanity' thread on here, with many people in agreement that the measures outweigh the risks.

I am on the fence personally, and can appreciate the concerns on both sides of the argument, but my post isn't about that.

Im curious about when people on here argue over the severity of covid in the population, many protest that it is a bad flu and that those in real danger are only the vulnerable and very elderly population.

However, in response to this, there's always a ton of posters who claim most of the people they knew who died of covid were in their 30's and 40' with NO health conditions.

I tend not to come across this particular argument much outside of MN, so would like to hear your thoughts on it and perhaps some info about where I can find stats. ONS perhaps?

and certainly very limited travel

unless it's Cornwall or the Lake District

It amazes me how we’ve spent the last ten years saying you shouldn’t shame people for their weight but suddenly being under 50 and overweight means it’s fine if you die of covid / are admitted to ICU as you have an underlying health condition.

I also expect about half the U.K. population have a bmi higher than desirable

I d not believe that things will be restricted until there's no covid at all

The Black Death still exits

Anyone I know personally (not a friend of a friend type thing) that have died of covid have been 80+

My friend's 50 yr old husband died during the pandemic because he was refused an ambulance twice as he didn't have covid symptoms.

@ooohnooo

Anyone I know personally (not a friend of a friend type thing) that have died of covid have been 80+

My friend's 50 yr old husband died during the pandemic because he was refused an ambulance twice as he didn't have covid symptoms.

that's awful.

Aweful but inevitable if too many people need ambulances at the same time

[quote Frankly321]@TammyHullfigure

Containment measures will need to be in place until and unless there are no cases of COVID and therefore no one at risk of permanent disability through Long COVID.

I suspect we will never again see large events such as concerts and conferences.

Large family gatherings and things like weddings will need to take place virtually from now on in order to keep people safe.[/quote]
nice one!

@Thewiseoneincognito

Life as we knew it before 2020 is gone forever, that much we can be absolutely certain of. To contain and manage this is akin to try to carrying a big box of apples without the box, one handed upside down. .

Give over. We cannot be ‘absolutely certain’ at all. What BS.

I can’t tell if the hysterical people are being sarcastic or not?

@Wherediditgo It’s not BS at all. Wait until they admit the vaccine is null and void against the mutations, because if it isn’t against this mutation it will be against the next one.

At one point I collated stats from our local regional hospital (wave 1). They announce all covid deaths with comment on the same basic background.

90% of deaths were persons age 60+

80% were persons age 70+.
99.x% of deaths were persons were described as having underlying conditions.
2/3 were men.

About 120 deaths in total.
It seems to reflect everything I've heard nationally about the high risk groups.

@Frankly321 is a bored troll I presume.

Im erring on the side of optimism, because it makes me feel happier.

Still, at this stage so much is uncertain, and we haven't experienced anything quite like this in our lifetime before.

I have honestly no idea what to think or what will happen.

Oh, with regards to the ONS link someone posted here, it seems the data only goes up to August 2020. Things have altered a bit since then (although age related stats might not have changed), I wonder when they'll update it?

I read that it is triggering early menopause in one women in twenty.

Heard this?

I am early 40s. I was relatively fit. I found myself on the long covid board here for support. Easter weekend until October. I still get breathless, even after no activity. Testing wasn't available at the time but I'd put my house on it, because I've never been so ill for so long.
I'm so fortunate that I'm back at work, but I know someone who isn't abd has lost so much.
I was fit before this abd hope to gain that fitness again.

@InterfectoremVulpes I have read that there is an increase of type 1 diabetes occurring in young children after covid www.imperial.ac.uk/news/201473/covid-19-linked-increase-type-diabetes-children/

[quote Frankly321]@Thewiseoneincognito is quite right. 2019 is not coming back, folks.

Restrictions will be in place indefinitely if not forever in order to prevent Long COVID.

There will be no concerts, no nightclubs, no large family gatherings, no offices, no nights out at the pub and certainly very limited travel.

It's tone the far-right anti lockdowners got used to it as this is life for the foreseeable future.[/quote]
You forgot to add the words 'I'm afraid' or 'sorry' to underline your authority and expertise. Points for use of the word 'folks' though.

@Thewiseoneincognito

Viruses main aim is to reproduce and infect as many people as possible. This is why this mutation has been so successful. However the virus does not want to kill its host. If it does, it cannot reproduce (thus voiding its whole main aim) In the vast majority of cases, a virus will mutate and become less deadly so it does not kill its host, and can keep reproducing (don’t forget, this mutation is not more deadly, just more transmissible)

At the beginning of the pandemic, they were predicting it would last 2 years. With a combination of vaccines (the current vaccines trains the body to attack the spike protein, not the specific “DNA” of the virus - hence the reason most reputable scientists say it will not effect the vaccines) and the natural progression of all viruses, the pandemic will come to an end.

No way will there be years of not mixing with family members, no large gatherings. At the moment, people are existing. Because we are told there is an end in sight. And endless pandemic, requiring endless restrictions that go against our way of life and the very essence of our existence, will get zero compliance!

@Frankly321

We know that there are around 315 people under 60 with no health conditions who have died of COVID.

That is 315 people leaving behind DC and partners.

These people are collateral damage in the far-right prioritisation of the economy over lives.

If the government had implemented a strict lockdown all year where no-one leaves home unless a key worker (enforced by the army and £5000 fines), 315 healthy parents and grandparents would have survived.

Fucking stupid

[quote TammyHullfigure]@Frankly321 is a bored troll I presume.[/quote]
Along with @Thewiseoneincognito who is obviously a troll, albeit a very well written one. Or at the very least they are annoyed they predicted a few months ago that only very stupid people would believe there would be a vaccine this year, and now having been proved wrong, is trying to still be right by saying it won't work.

I'm actually wondering if these two accounts are the same person actually.

@Frankly321

Around 1800 people a year die in road accidents. Should we shut all roads and people are only allowed to travel as far as they can walk?

Around 7,500 die yearly through alcohol related deaths. So let's ban alcohol.

Roughly 700 people die each year from a fall down stairs. Should we knock down all homes and only allow bungalows?

Yeah sure we will never see concerts or large weddings or festivals ever again God it must be exhausting being you.

I suspect that 351 figure is out of date

But it never was about saving those lives, or more to the point saving the 3500 lives that probably would have dies without the restrictions

It was about saving the economy and the health service and society

To get a feel for this consider, we allow the virus to run through society so most people get it within the next 6 months

Around 10% of normal younger people get long covid. Say they will be on average off work for 3 months

How many businesses want 10% of their workforce off sick with long covid, ?

And then another 10% affected because they do have underlying health conditions including obesity and hum, being over 60

20% of ambulance drivers and GPS and fruit pickers and supermarket staff all off at the same time?

You happy with that ?

You happy with 20% of cancer treatments being cancelled due to lack of staff ?

1800 die in RTA

That's a lot fewer that would be dying if we didn't have a seat belt law

Actually I have started to wonder if people are anxious / scared of life “returning to normal” Perhaps they had social anxiety (so not being invited to a large wedding because there are no large weddings would be a blessing rather than having to go and endure it or make up an excuse not to attend)

Or people don’t get along with their families so not having to mix with them has been nice (or hear other people’s tales of happy families)

If that’s the case, I do hope there is proper mental health support for those people struggling. Although given we have spent all our money on covid (and mental health support was crap before the pandemic), I very much doubt they will be able to access what they need