Deaths and those under 50

[Sallygoround631]

Was just perusing the 'collective insanity' thread on here, with many people in agreement that the measures outweigh the risks.

I am on the fence personally, and can appreciate the concerns on both sides of the argument, but my post isn't about that.

Im curious about when people on here argue over the severity of covid in the population, many protest that it is a bad flu and that those in real danger are only the vulnerable and very elderly population.

However, in response to this, there's always a ton of posters who claim most of the people they knew who died of covid were in their 30's and 40' with NO health conditions.

I tend not to come across this particular argument much outside of MN, so would like to hear your thoughts on it and perhaps some info about where I can find stats. ONS perhaps?

ICU data can be found in the weekly ICNARC reports, summary of most recent report here with link to full report(s):
mobile.twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status/1340352013478088706

I know a couple in their 70’s tbag have both had it. One had pneumonia 2 years ago and was in hospital due to this. I was expecting them to not make, given that they have a weakness, it and I’m pleased to say, they made a full recovery. No hospital admission, just felt shight for a week or so then got over it.

Crikey, a little unrelated but look at the Spanish Flu on this graph!

Not quite answering your question, but this does to some extent depend on how you define comorbidity. You don't have to have severe underlying respiratory/cardiac disease to get really sick from covid. I've intubated 2 'healthy' 20-30-somethings for covid (one had a slightly high, just like a lot of the population). The sickest customer I was involved with was another 'healthy' 30-something, slightly plump & a smoker - needed absolutely everything and the kitchen sink in terms of ICU respiratory support. Fortunately all 3 survived but it was pretty hairy getting them there. This is very definitely a disease that can profoundly affect young 'healthy' people and is taken seriously enough at work that a number of young, overweight colleagues with no other illnesses are currently not allowed to intubate covid positive patients because of the risk to themselves.

@Kazmerelda

Until this week, I thought the numbers of under 40s was small. I didn’t know anyone who had it that bad to be more than some time in bed. Not belittling how long they suffered more it was all okay home to recover from.

Now 5 of my friends are in hospital in the last week and not in good shape. All under 40 and healthy.

I read somewhere there was some evidence that it rips through those with a better immune system. I can’t find the link but IF true then tbh we are fooked because who do you shield?

I read somewhere there was some evidence that it rips through those with a better immune system. I can’t find the link but IF true then tbh we are fooked because who do you shield

What you read - is clearly the biggest load of bollocks it’s laughable you even mention it! Makes zero sense whatsoever

I think it's amazing how people know that others don't/didn't have other serious health conditions. Not everyone tells everyone else about their ailments. My OH has terminal cancer (>5-10 years) and none of our family know about it, not even our son. Oncologist adament that catching covid would be a death penalty due to severely impaired immunity. But people around us havn't a clue and would presumably think we're just being paranoid with social distancing etc. If he does catch it and die of it, I'm sure people would spout the "no health issues" line etc. I know lots of people just love to play on their ailments and tell all and sundry about their latest condition, but lots don't and a lot of health conditions don't have obvious/outward signs of it.

Now 5 of my friends are in hospital in the last week and not in good shape. All under 40 and healthy.

See, here we go...

The poster who read that " people with a strong immune system get it worse " might not have actually been wrong, there is some evidence to suggest that autoimmune disease has a protective factor as it somehow puts the body into alert mode or distracts the system from a higher response to COVID ( which is the danger). Unfortunately if you take immunosuppressive drugs that has an opposite effect and that's why those people are shielders. Confusing... especially when steroids are both a treatment and a risk factor...

I just can't see any government causing chaos and damage to the economy without very good reason. And not just our government, but world-wide. Our lockdowns have been a lot less severe than many other countries.

@Frankly321

We know that there are around 315 people under 60 with no health conditions who have died of COVID.

That is 315 people leaving behind DC and partners.

These people are collateral damage in the far-right prioritisation of the economy over lives.

If the government had implemented a strict lockdown all year where no-one leaves home unless a key worker (enforced by the army and £5000 fines), 315 healthy parents and grandparents would have survived.

You've got to be kidding....

@Frankly321

We know that there are around 315 people under 60 with no health conditions who have died of COVID.

That is 315 people leaving behind DC and partners.

These people are collateral damage in the far-right prioritisation of the economy over lives.

If the government had implemented a strict lockdown all year where no-one leaves home unless a key worker (enforced by the army and £5000 fines), 315 healthy parents and grandparents would have survived.

Errr?

I'm not sure I agree here. How long do you intend to barricade people in their homes and destroy society and the economy?

I think that there is a genetic aspect to how severely someone gets Covid but we just don’t really fully understand it yet. I do know there’s been some research into this already. Covid seems to cause issues with blood clotting and the cardiovascular system at its worst, it doesn’t seem evenly spread that those with asthma or other long term chronic conditions automatically become seriously unwell (although who wants to chance it)!

I have lupus and Addison’s disease and a whole load of other conditions that puts me in the extremely clinically vulnerable group but other people in the forums I’m on who are in the same group have had Covid and barely knew they had it (confirmed with a positive test). So the whole thing about certain groups being destined to die from it is wrong, or misunderstood.

There is a lot we are yet to learn about this disease.

All the sceptics should see how they get on with long covid. I expect a shift in conversation over the coming months and years towards those suffering hellish consequences of having been marked for life by this evil creation.

We know that there are around 315 people under 60 with no health conditions who have died of COVID.

That is 315 people leaving behind DC and partners.

These people are collateral damage in the far-right prioritisation of the economy over lives.

If the government had implemented a strict lockdown all year where no-one leaves home unless a key worker (enforced by the army and £5000 fines), 315 healthy parents and grandparents would have survived.

About 5 times more people will have died in Traffic Collisions. Presumably the Government should have closed down all roads?

Jeez...

Please lets not have yet another thread be derailed by the poundland Kim Jong-un up there 🤦🏼‍♀️

@TammyHullfigure

Containment measures will need to be in place until and unless there are no cases of COVID and therefore no one at risk of permanent disability through Long COVID.

I suspect we will never again see large events such as concerts and conferences.

Large family gatherings and things like weddings will need to take place virtually from now on in order to keep people safe.

@InterfectoremVulpes

Jeez...

Please lets not have yet another thread be derailed by the poundland Kim Jong-un up there 🤦🏼‍♀️

😂😂😂😂😂

@Thewiseoneincognito

All the sceptics should see how they get on with long covid. I expect a shift in conversation over the coming months and years towards those suffering hellish consequences of having been marked for life by this evil creation.

What do you mean by 'creation' though?

Life as we knew it before 2020 is gone forever, that much we can be absolutely certain of. To contain and manage this is akin to try to carrying a big box of apples without the box, one handed upside down.
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@InterfectoremVulpes

Jeez...

Please lets not have yet another thread be derailed by the poundland Kim Jong-un up there 🤦🏼‍♀️

I don't know who you were referring to but this is my new favourite insult for 2021

@Sallygoround631 no bat or pangolin made this.

I believe it was accidentally released as a product of some clinical alchemy.

@Thewiseoneincognito is quite right. 2019 is not coming back, folks.

Restrictions will be in place indefinitely if not forever in order to prevent Long COVID.

There will be no concerts, no nightclubs, no large family gatherings, no offices, no nights out at the pub and certainly very limited travel.

It's tone the far-right anti lockdowners got used to it as this is life for the foreseeable future.

People also exaggerate or make things up to get a point across on the internet though. So there's that too.

well fuck a duck this went somewhere I wasn't expecting!

Im intrigued by the clinical alchemy though.

They're multiplying... 😮