Do you agree with this or not?

[Meruem]

Just went on FB and one of my Cornish contacts has shared this post from their local pub:

We have been watching the national and local news over the last 24-48 hours and in light of the recent events we wanted to emphasise to all our current processes.
We are very fortunate to be trading in a Tier 1 area, and we do appreciate that Cornwall is in a unique situation compared to much of the rest of the UK.
There does seem to have been a large number of visitors converging on Cornwall in the last couple of days which is creating concern for our local customers.
The government advice for people in tier 3 and 4 is to travel only for work, education, caring responsibilities, moving home, visiting others in your support bubble and for medical treatment.
Given this situation, we are asking customers which tier they are visiting from. We regret that we will not be booking tables for persons visiting from Tier 3 and 4.
We are not intending to cause offence or division. Hospitality is in a tricky situation currently and many businesses are having to make decisions that they feel is right to protect their local population including their staff.
Considering the fact that those living in Tier 3 and 4 areas will only be in Cornwall for one of the 'essential' reasons listed above, we do not anticipate coming across anyone from those Tiers. However, we will be asking when making your booking or when you arrive into the pub, so please be aware and considerate of this. We will ask for proof of address if we do not know you in the form of a driving licence etc.

On the one hand I understand their concerns but it’s so divisive. I mean someone might be staying with a relative locally, has been their carer or whatever for weeks, but their “home” address is tier 4. So they aren’t allowed in. Just curious what other people think of this.

I disagree with this but any business has the right to refuse custom. I'm on a tier 2/4 border and have seen a lot of businesses posting the same.

I don't agree with it - a slippery slope isn't it?

A pub in a village near Bolton did this when Bolton had the highest rates of infection in the UK , it did feel like those of us that live there should hang a bell round our neck and shout unclean ,but I can see their point the virus will just continue to spread if people continue to break or bend the rules .

Yes exactly, slippery slope, I think that’s what’s made me feel uncomfortable with it.

There could be many reasons why someone wouldn't have a proof of address in Cornwall. It just drives the suspicion and fear of each other.

It's all very sad.

Why shouldn't they?
I don't understand all these people flicking to their second homes.
If they're rich enough and privileged enough to own a second home then it stands to reason that their 1st home is of a decent size with a decent garden

It's not like thee people are having to isolate in a one bed room flat with no outside space.
They should bloody well stay home.
Selfish gits.

It's your business and absolutely your choice. If people are there for a jolly they shouldn't expect to eat out

flockung

I agree with it. If people are so irresponsible and ready to break the law so easily, they have to be challenged. I am tired to follow the rules AND suffer through this pandemic financially whilst others don’t care at all.

Sounds like the responsible thing to do tbh.

I don’t know how divisive it’ll actually turn out to be in reality.

100% agree with it. Shows commitment to operating in the most safest way they possibly can.

Hasn't this been going on for months, I remember news stories about people from Leicester not being allowed to go on summer holidays. It's up to them if they want to try and limit cases imo

The problem is, it's the second home people that will have proof of address, and the people travelling for legitimate reasons that won't!

I know people who travel for work and they're living on food you can make with a kettle and takeaways, because there's nowhere for them to get a proper meal (hotels that are open for workers aren't generally serving food). I'd hope these pubs make an exception for workers, who will usually have a letter from their employer to confirm they're there for work.

I absolutely agree with this. I hope that this sort of action will help to dissuade selfish people from behaving like this. Fucking stay put unless you have a genuinely legitimate reason for travelling.

The rules also say that if you have to move between tiers you should abide by the rules in your home tier, in which case visitors should not be going to pubs if they couldn’t at home anyway.

@Orf1abc they may have proof of address, but the pub does mention driving licence, as that would have home address on it.

During the first lockdown there were serious issues with lorry drivers being protected from using toilet facilities at their regular stops. A pub will have deliveries of beer and food deliveries from out of the county. I have every sympathy that they don't want people going on holiday there right now, and if someone moves there they can migrate post to prove it. But I would really hope an exception is being made for those delivering supplies into Cornwall, it's short-sighted as much as it is nasty not to.

*prevented not protected

I don't care if it is divisive, I would prefer the owner/landlord and staff of the pub to feel as safe as possible. I wouldn't just let people in willy nilly if it was my pub.

The rules also say that if you have to move between tiers you should abide by the rules in your home tier, in which case visitors should not be going to pubs if they couldn’t at home anyway.
This too.

It’s not all second home owners. I don’t own my own home, let alone a second! But my DSis lives there (we both grew up there) and if the worst happened and she was seriously ill or injured I would be the one going there to care for her. Lots of my school friends moved away for work (hence me having quite a few Cornish people on FB) but they still have parents and siblings there etc. I don’t like this assumption on MN that all the people going to Cornwall are rich second home owners.

I'm in wales so not totally familiar with the English rules but I thought eating out wasn't allowed in Tiers 3 and 4, and that if you leave your higher tier for an allowed reason you must otherwise behave as though you're in that tier. So no one from Tier 3 or 4 should be going to pubs and restaurants.

I've been asked for proof of address places - I believe here at least that the venue has a legal responsibility to ensure track and trace information is accurate and that you're complying with the rules on mixing with other households.

Can't see anything wrong at all with their stance 🤷‍♀️ and as far as I can see the only people who would have a problem with it are those who were hoping to break the law.

(FWIW, my DH has travelled for work during our local and national lockdowns to places in England with less restrictions - he got takeaways).

But, "if the worst were to happen" you wouldn't be popping down the pub for a meal out, surely?

@Meruem
But if you were going to care for your sister you don’t have be going out to non essential shops and restaurants. And given the alarming numbers in the South East I really don’t blame folk in Cornwall for wanting to do what little they can to help prevent any spread. I have been in high restrictions in Scotland for weeks. If my dm had become unwell then of course I would have travelled to her low tier area to look after her. Butiwoukdnt have gone out except for food shopping

Now they know how Londoners and those in the SE were feeling right at the beginning, when we knew that hundreds of flights a day were coming in from all over the world.

Not to mention the channel tunnel.