Vaccination for elderly & CEV, herd immunity for everyone else

[CollateralDamage1]

It's obviously the option chosen by our government. I've not heard of any mass vaccination programmes for everyone else yet have you? As a key worker I feel that my life is collateral and if I die or suffer badly it's half expected and is seen by our government as for the greater good of our country. It's totally shit. They'd never openly admit this though.

[quote Windyone]@ofwarren I’m in Scotland and the Pfizer vaccine is not being given to the people on that list you posted. Anyone getting it in their GP surgeries will have to wait for a vaccine that is easier to distribute. I don’t know why the government is not making this clear. No other vaccine has been approved in the UK.[/quote]
According to yesterday’s Telegraph approval of the Oxford vaccine will happen on 28/29 December.

@Biscoff2020

There aren't any plans to vaccinate healthy under 50s in the UK as yet- the JCVI will be looking at whether or not to do this and in what order of priority in the future. Kate Bingham has also said that the vaccine would be for the over 50s only. Restrictions and social distancing etc...will be dropped once the CEV and over 50s are vaccinated. It's very worrying as cases will then skyrocket- once millions get infected more under 50s may need hospital treatment in a very short space of time.

I think the increasing dominance of this super-infectious variant makes it only more certain that under 50s will get the vaccine.

To my mind, the issue is the degree to which restrictions will be lifted before that (second) vaccine rollout happens.

@Gingernaut

I'm sixth in line with asthma.

Otherwise I'd be ninth in line (over 50)

Only if you have severe asthma and are clinically extremely vulnerable.

Moderate asthmatics (those who are in the clinically vulnerable group) have been removed from the vaccination priority list.

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The vaccine can only be produced at a particular rate. Who are you suggesting should be bumped off the queue so that you can have it before them?

There are no plans in the sense that they haven’t worked out the priority groups for the under 50s but Chris Whitty was absolutely clear in a press conference that they will be vaccinated.
One of the questions was about whether vulnerable professions such as teaching would be prioritised and he said doing it by profession is definitely on the table to be discussed.
He said they will be in a better position to make a plan once we know more about how the different vaccines work in the community, eg the impact on spread.

And Kate Bingham did indeed say under 50s wouldn’t be vaccinated but she was later contradicted by Whitty and others.

Hopefully the other virus, the viral religious meme called Conspiracy Theories will also carry on increasing exponentially. There are many Believers already, and they will not want the vaccine.

This CT virus is also spreading from the bottom up - arse up, actually - and each New Convert means one more vaccine available more quickly for the rest of us.

The queue for the vaccine won't be that long as a direct result.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-2-december-2020/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-2-december-2020

That link gives the current order. Once more vaccinations get approved, teachers and other key workers will get approved. We did most of our group 2s last week and are getting ready to move on to group 3.

There is a calculator on this page: www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk#atrisk

Negative people who say we're slow can just fuck off tbh, we're working as hard as we can.

[quote herecomestheSon]@MorrisZapp What is embarrassing?

@Haenow I’m in the same position but statistically, older people are at higher risk of hospitalisation and death even compared to people who are CEV. People need to take a pragmatic approach.

What are you talking about?

I didn't say that I should be vaccinated before people older than me (although I probably have the same or greater risk of hospitalisation or death if I catch covid as an average person aged 70-80 from the available algorithms).

The problem is one of enforced exposure to risk. We formally asked for home ed for the children but this was refused.

If we could home ed without the kids losing the places we could all stay safe until a vaccine eventually turns up.

So I have the clinical vulnerability but I also have the potential exposure to risk (secondary school children are the group in the population with the highest infection level right now) .

I' m fine to wait for a vaccine, but we need to reduce exposure for as many vulnerable people as possible while we wait (so we have fewer deaths meanwhile).

Regarding dying during the wait, my main concern would be the effect on my kids, who are still quite young.

I think the exposure/ risk thing needs some further thought, really.

Keeping the vaccine roll out by age does have the advantage of simplicity, because it probably the most important single variable and it is clearly measured.[/quote]
@herecomestheSon

What am I talking about? The risk of mortality and morbidity.
You don’t need permission to home educate, it’s your right to remove your child from school.

@CollateralDamage1

I am a CEV parent. Many of us, especially with children in secondary school, feel that we are being regarded as expendable collateral.

My point exactly. It really is herd immunity from the bottom (age wise), vaccines from the top (age wise) and if you're a key worker in the middle you're also fucked and therefore 'collateral'.

Not all key workers are in high risk jobs. Health and social care workers are prioritised because of the vulnerable client group and the close physical contact, not necessarily to protect the employee. Also, unless you are an older person and/or CEV, fortunately, your risk of death is minuscule, ditto your chance of serious complications.

This government have handled many aspects of this pandemic very badly but they’re rolling out the vaccine as fast as they can. It was only approved a few weeks ago!

@ExpulsoCorona thank you for all you are doing. My 89 year old mother in law had her first vaccine on Tuesday and my 83 year old Mum today. Both said how efficient it was.

This works quite well for me really, been saying for a while all this 'shield the vulnerable and return to normal' was all well and good, IF there was a way to actually protect the vulnerable. Now it looks like there is. I find it quite interesting that a few I know who were very loud about the herd immunity 'strategy' previously, now seem to be kicking off that they are not even mentioned on the vaccination lists (due to being young and healthy..)

I do think 'young and healthy' people who work in retails, bus drivers, health staff etc should be offered it though. Many may refuse, but the option should be there.

Of course I include teachers on my list of people who should be offered. Sorry, didn't specifically mention teachers, but they have got such a raw fucking deal in this its unreal.

Some key workers got their first dose last week.

@ExpulsoCorona

www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-2-december-2020/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-2-december-2020

That link gives the current order. Once more vaccinations get approved, teachers and other key workers will get approved. We did most of our group 2s last week and are getting ready to move on to group 3.

There is a calculator on this page: www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk#atrisk

Negative people who say we're slow can just fuck off tbh, we're working as hard as we can.

@ExpulsoCorona who/where are you? (~ish)

@CollateralDamage1

It's obviously the option chosen by our government. I've not heard of any mass vaccination programmes for everyone else yet have you? As a key worker I feel that my life is collateral and if I die or suffer badly it's half expected and is seen by our government as for the greater good of our country. It's totally shit. They'd never openly admit this though.

Yes I have, but then I like to research these things properly instead of relying on shit stirring ignorant threads like this one for my information.

@Arboria South West London

@Arboria asthmatics haven't been removed from the list. Any asthmatic who is usually entitled to the flu vaccine is group 6 for the Covid vaccine.

dd has been working on Covid wards since March. Her trust has told them that no front line staff will be vaccinated before patients (done in order of age, it seems). The trust next door (central London) are vaccinating frontline staff. The system is erratic at best.

Gotta love the Tory bots on here.... Good to know where the tax payments went

So we are the first country in the world to approve and administer a vaccine. There is another thread somewhere from an NHS worker who is saying that the effort frontline workers are making above and beyond is enormous. There is a clear priority plan for vaccination based on who is more likely to need hospitalisation.

And STILL there are people for which all this is shit.

And when people get called out on this they assume ‘Tory Bots’. Couldn’t make it up.

@CollateralDamage1 We will need a vaccine regardless because there are two strains so if you've had one you could still catch the other

Even the scientists don’t know this yet so no idea how you do? Leaving unfactual thread to go back to the grown up threads.

My FIL had the vaccine last week and a friend who's a nurse had hers this week.

I am impressed with how the NHS is rolling this out around here, a massive tier 3 city.

@Nc135

And when people get called out on this they assume ‘Tory Bots’. Couldn’t make it up.

It's great that the vaccine/s is/are being rolled out. By the NHS. Having been developed by international groups of scientists.

It doesn't stop the current government being crap in lots of other ways.

Hope this helps x