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He was damned if he did and damned if he didnt

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Trekkerbabe · 20/12/2020 13:23

That is all I have to say.

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merrymouse · 20/12/2020 18:54

sorry Christmas 'break'.

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 20/12/2020 21:11

Hes nothing but an incompetent buffoon, zero leadership!!

sortmylifeoutplease · 20/12/2020 21:33

@herecomestheSon

Well, let's see,
  • We could have had an earlier lockdown in the Spring. That would have saved,ooh, thousands of lives. Bot no, more important to keep Cheltenham Festival going.
  • We could have had a planned, funded, safe re-opening of schools. But no, no money for that.
  • Funds went instead to EHTHO. Which was fun,I agree, but which also helped out with the spread of the virus.
  • Sacking Dominic Cummings rather earlier would have been a good idea.
  • Following advice for a short circuit break in September would have been good, the "earlier the better" wasn't learnt from March.
  • Letting parents homeschool if they want to would have been and would still be helpful in a pandemic, especially if CEV and no social service concerns etc.
  • Following WHO advice on schools would be good (wearing masks is not that expensive).
  • The exams were a shit show.
  • We are an island. We could have limited entry far more than we have done, or checked for symptoms more on arrival, or quarantined more.
  • Banning Greenwich from closing schools days before national curbs on Christmas celebrations? really dumb.
100 % this
Kaliorphic · 20/12/2020 21:38

If you were stupid enough to make plans to mix at Christmas then you live with the consequences of it being cancelled.

That's pretty unkind. People are desperate to see their families and loved ones, many stuck on their own in different cities. Have a little empathy ffs.

Kendodd · 20/12/2020 21:50

Never has our society been so divided

Completely agree.
And that division is all down to Johnson as well.
Never in the history of this country have we had a PM do so much damage, fully expect him to top it all with a return to violence in Northern Ireland and the break up of the UK when Scotland votes Leave to get away from Tory leadership.

iftherewereahorseyinthehouse · 20/12/2020 22:09

How many times now has Starmer said they need to do x now, at PMQs boris has been all over him for not supporting the government in a pandemic 🙄 and then a week later he's gone and done a massive u turn anyway, but every single time it's been too late. He is an absolute blithering idiot.

merrymouse · 20/12/2020 23:55

Sacking Dominic Cummings rather earlier would have been a good idea.

So much trust and good will squandered because Cummings was so important, and then a few months later he leaves because of office politics.

merrymouse · 21/12/2020 00:00

and then a week later he's gone and done a massive u turn anyway, but every single time it's been too late.

Always the same pattern - he waits until the other nations have made a decision, blusters some 'fight them on the beaches/believe in Britain' nonsense, and then does the same thing a week later anyway.

I sympathise with feeling paralysed when it looks as though there are no good options, but then I have never thought I would make a good PM.

middleager · 21/12/2020 00:26

@ElliePhillips

I strongly disagree. The problem is not the new measures but that he didn't do them sooner and waited until the last weekend before Christmas! Also all the nonsense he came up with in the weeks leading up to this about the "inhumanity" of cancelling Christmas. It is confused messaging.

I'm a Brit in Germany (with all my family back home in London - Tier 4). Merkel put us into a strict lockdown but her approval ratings are high because the government messaging has been clear and logical.

Johnson has created so much confusion with his dithering and indecision. I feel so sorry for everyone in the UK.

This sums it up for me.

I'd prefer honesty to being babied. He should have laid the cards on the table and made a decision, without the populist vote.

There is no answer to when things will return to normal and I know this is not what some people want to hear, but we are not babies. I wish he'd stop stringing people along.
I never made plans as we are almost constantly under restrictions in my house due to one child having six isolations from school and Covid, and because I know plans could change. But many, like my mother, still believe what he says (God knows why) and follow every word.

What a mess. I cannot contain my loathing for this man.

BigWoollyJumpers · 21/12/2020 12:04

But Merkel only just announced stricter measures too. A couple of weeks ago all of Europe was planning a near normal xmas. It is not just the UK, everyone in Europe has changed plans several times over the last month, as infections have increased. That is the nature of a pandemic, things change, you move with the changes. A month ago cases were going down, they were looking at the Kent anomoly, which was going up, you can't second guess every decision until you have the scientific data to prove something is going on.

Think what was going on a few weeks ago, everyone was frothing about cases coming down, and Tiers needing to be relaxed. For weeks MN and the media were crying unfair. Now everyone is frothing about levels not being tightened up enough. It's all FUBAR.

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 21/12/2020 13:01

@BigWoollyJumpers a few weeks ago in November when we were in national lockdowns? Not really the ideal circumstances to be giving the green light to multi- household indoor family gatherings in December?! He overpromised too early then dug his heels in until the last minute as he is wont to do. See also Brexit.

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