Primary school kids now more infected than uni students

[noelgiraffe]

Worth pointing out that the infection rate in primary kids has shot up to 1 in 50 (2% or 2000 per 100,000) as the narrative up till now has been that primary kids have been relatively unaffected.

Secondary kids are 2500 per 100,000 and uni students 1300 per 100,000.

Make your plans for Christmas carefully.

Not sure where your info about Sweden come form but this directly contradicts you:

To be fair, it doesn't contradict me. It might contradict a different study. I am the author of neither.

I will see if I can find it again. I read it a few months ago.

I read it a few months ago.

So it’s massively out of date?

I haven't found the Swedish study yet but I did find this.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.01.20222315v1

twitter.com/adamhamdy/status/1306265254666678273?s=21
This is a link to a Twitter post, highlighting when Boris tells everyone that children readily transmit the virus to adults. It’s about a minute into the video. The snippet was never publicised in the way it should have been IMO.
Full disclosure: I’m a primary school teacher in isolation until after Christmas after a child tested positive.

Yes not, that’s the study that found an 8% increased risk of covid when living with a teenager before schools started back in September.

@QueenofLouisiana

twitter.com/adamhamdy/status/1306265254666678273?s=21 This is a link to a Twitter post, highlighting when Boris tells everyone that children readily transmit the virus to adults. It’s about a minute into the video. The snippet was never publicised in the way it should have been IMO. Full disclosure: I’m a primary school teacher in isolation until after Christmas after a child tested positive.

I tried!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4025351-It-is-alas-a-fact-of-the-disease-that-it-is-readily-transmissible-between-children-and-adults

@BluebellsGreenbells

I was just going to say that. Since when was that ever acceptable? That’s disgusting. To mix with an infection that was severe enough to hospitalise you? Even pre covid, the lack of common sense there is truly astounding.

I remember going to the theatre last December and a lady in front of me coughing non stop. I remember thinking she was incredibly rude to be subjecting everybody around her with this bad cough she had, and I had never even heard of covid by that point. She clearly thought it was acceptable though to cough and splutter her way through a whole two hours.

@noelgiraffe good effort! I put it out on SM, but it was firmly ignored. Funny that- I guess it didn’t fit in with the narrative back in September.

@noelgiraffe I’m in Wales and primary and secondary are closed first week of Jan so they can risk assess based on the number of cases and then make a decision as to whether they are safe to open after that. The problem is we have to open for Key Workers which I totally agree is right for those who are front line and fighting the pandemic but the list of key workers is so long it’s pretty much anybody who has a job! I know so many people who WFH and yet because they are on the key worker list they are still sending their children in ‘because primary kids don’t catch or spread it.’

Defeating the point of closure entirely.

You realise mine is from Dec 10th?

This is a link to a Twitter post, highlighting when Boris tells everyone that children readily transmit the virus to adults. It’s about a minute into the video. The snippet was never publicised in the way it should have been IMO.

I don't take scientific advice from Johnson!

Can you clarify where you do take your scientific advice from?

@Piggyinblankets

Can you clarify where you do take your scientific advice from?

Perhaps it's the same source as the OP has quoted a week or two back, which said that the R-rate was between 0.7 and 0.9 and that people needed to admit they were wrong to think that there was spread in schools?

Sorry, not the OP, but @notevenat20.

@notevenat20

This is a link to a Twitter post, highlighting when Boris tells everyone that children readily transmit the virus to adults. It’s about a minute into the video. The snippet was never publicised in the way it should have been IMO.

I don't take scientific advice from Johnson!

How are your claims about schools holding up lately?

How are your claims about schools holding up lately?

I still don't think that schools were a major cause of the increase in cases that started in late August. But it does look like there is a new more infectious variant now which we don't fully understand yet :(

Oh, ffs, of COURSE they weren't responding since for ANYTHING in late August as (in England, anyway) THEY WERE CLOSED!! As soon as schools opened, wherever in the UK they were, the numbers started rising.
And besides, your assertion about R numbers dropping to 0.7-0.9 was made 2 weeks ago, not back in August. And every teacher on these boards was screeching about the actualities they were witnessing with their own eyes, yet you and your ilk were determined to shout us down.

It's possible that this is evidence of the new strain?

I don't know, Neuro, the rate of increase in primary outstripped secondary and it was secondary schools who seemed to be incubating the new strain in London/SE.

I mean, look at that yellow line, it's just bonkers. Obviously it's not being talked about anywhere, and Gav said in his arsey letter to heads on Saturday evening that staggered starts weren't necessary in primary as their infection rates were well below secondary - which isn't true any more.

I guess what the above graph doesn't tell us is how much it is spreading within primary schools versus a high rate of infection with this new strain in primary school children which is coming from the home/ older secondary school siblings.

Surely someone somewhere must collect data on how many contacts test positive within bubbles at primary school/ secondary school. I've seen lots of anecdotal evidence from teachers but someone must know whether primary age children can actually spread it as much as older ages.

www.tes.com/news/new-covid-variant-may-infect-pupils-more-effectively

Causation / correlation though.

Could be more indoor plays and closed classrooms due to the cold too.

Though the way the new strain is sounding re attachment to ace receptors fits.

All the extra cleaning in the world won't help stop each pupil breathing the virus around the room, nor the teacher, nor the ta.

Some people will never accept their darling children could infect others. Or care.

Anecdotally, in my town, primary schools seem to have had more issues than secondary, especially at the end of term.

I think it's mad that siblings can go into school when a sibling is isolating. I think in many places it bounces between the primaries and secondaries.

I do think people assume primary age children can't spread it and that is clearly not the case.