Primary school kids now more infected than uni students

[noelgiraffe]

Worth pointing out that the infection rate in primary kids has shot up to 1 in 50 (2% or 2000 per 100,000) as the narrative up till now has been that primary kids have been relatively unaffected.

Secondary kids are 2500 per 100,000 and uni students 1300 per 100,000.

Make your plans for Christmas carefully.

Interesting point about wet play maybe having an impact. We get plenty of those at this time of year.

Yes, we've watched it travel down in a few local schools. Starts in the secondary, then 2-3 weeks later the main feeder juniors, then it starts in the younger year groups/infants. I think possibly asymptomatic spread between siblings who then take it to their bubbles as as isolating child sibling doesnt need isolate. We had a child test positive whilst his sibling was isolating after being a contact.
The older children get transport more and bubbles are a primary thing so thats why it hit secondaries first.
It like the govdrment set up a little engine to ensure maximum spread in children.

There are a lot of things we don’t understand about this virus when it comes to infection. For example, why on Earth did case numbers start going up quickly in London in the middle of lockdown 2?

It's like people won't accept that teachers are at any greater risk of covid because you can't show the data. Except you can't show the data because it's either suppressed or fudged

I don't know how to find the data but there was a scientist on the radio a few days ago saying that statistically teachers don't have higher infection rates that others. Do you have a link to data that says otherwise, annoyingly I don't remember the name of the person or I'd look him up.

So I'm guessing the translation of "think carefully" is don't do it. So basically you are telling those of us with primary school children to not see our families?

Think carefully means think carefully. It’s not in a foreign language, so doesn’t need translation. OP is not telling anyone to take any particular course of action.

I thought that was because it was rampaging around secondary schools that were still open in lockdown 2, noteven? Hence the panicked rush to mass test there.

I think everybody should think carefully. It’s a friendly bit of advice actually I think. I have just heard of 3 people who all had their sons aged 14-15 tested “just in case” and all 3 came back positive! No symptoms. If they hadn’t that would have been 3 tuning around spreading without knowing it. And there are 1000s out there doing the same ...

@noelgiraffe

I was wondering why the infection rate has risen recently, but the bad weather and more time indoors/wet breaks etc makes sense.

With regards teenagers, I know of so many who are going out with friends, having sleepovers, sharing cars. We're in a rural county that has low transmission rates until recently but we've heard of known cases this week. I'm worried for DH going back to work 4 Jan. Even if its staggered start, its going to be the Year 13s most likely to have met up and partied with friends just 3 days previous.

It like the govdrment set up a little engine to ensure maximum spread in children.

One of the few things they’ve managed efficiently IMO, though thoughtlessly and inadvertently. (Well I hope it wasn’t deliberate.)

Re singing...

My son took part in a county wide Xmas recording with many other schools.

Several schools including my son had the kids spaced out in the hall for the recording, 2m+ apart. The others had them all in a group like a choir in a hall.

Many schools have recorded songs to put in cd instead of a show. (Ffs we even did as staff in bubbles, but in sen there's about 6 -10 staff working closely in a bubble.)

@satnighttakeaway

It's like people won't accept that teachers are at any greater risk of covid because you can't show the data. Except you can't show the data because it's either suppressed or fudged

I don't know how to find the data but there was a scientist on the radio a few days ago saying that statistically teachers don't have higher infection rates that others. Do you have a link to data that says otherwise, annoyingly I don't remember the name of the person or I'd look him up.

I can show you the report from the ONS that said this that was reported to the National Statistics Authority for being misleading?

www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-schools-urgent-warning-over-misleading-teacher-covid-data

And the amount of classes I walked into this term that were noticeably "stuffy...."
(We can't have doors open in sen.)

@bornatXmastobequiet

It like the govdrment set up a little engine to ensure maximum spread in children.

One of the few things they’ve managed efficiently IMO, though thoughtlessly and inadvertently. (Well I hope it wasn’t deliberate.)

Entirely by accident. They're incapable of planning anything in advance.

My class (year 6) have continued with sleepovers. When challenged the response has been "mum says we're all breathing in the same air at school".

I’ve seen far more who don’t want to educate again or want the childcare.

I know, imagine that, parents wanting to be able to actually do the work they are paid to do rather than trying to teach multiple children of different ages at the same time.

How’d have thought an airborne virus could be transmitted in schools 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

@Blacktothepink

How’d have thought an airborne virus could be transmitted in schools 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Well I mean it's just highly unlikely isn't it ?

I would have thought that considering how well children blow their noses and the fact that they don't cough directly into their peers and their teachers / assistants / lunchtime supervisors / any adult or other human in school....faces
... I mean I just really wouldn't have thought it possible that covid could spread in primary schools.

My.one friends' bubble is at least
Family of 4
1-2 grandparents
Dc1 going to other child in class. home after school
Dc2 going to different family
So kids in at least 3 other houses or cars etc.
They are aware they shouldnt be because parents are collecting then handing over.

And yes i agree about kids in shops . It's not surprising primary kids catch (school and shops). Think how busy shops are at the moment and dc in pushchair etc maskless

I don't know how to find the data but there was a scientist on the radio a few days ago saying that statistically teachers don't have higher infection rates that others

That's interesting and tallies with studies I have read from other countries. I think the same can be said about the parents of school age children. Of course one explanation could be that non teachers are generally acting more recklessly than teachers. It's certainly plausible that people without children socialise more than people with children.

@notevenat20

I don't know how to find the data but there was a scientist on the radio a few days ago saying that statistically teachers don't have higher infection rates that others

That's interesting and tallies with studies I have read from other countries. I think the same can be said about the parents of school age children. Of course one explanation could be that non teachers are generally acting more recklessly than teachers. It's certainly plausible that people without children socialise more than people with children.

www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-schools-urgent-warning-over-misleading-teacher-covid-data

This is interesting

I’m a teacher in France. Our students, and all staff obviously, have been wearing masks since September. So far, no staff have been off and I only know of four children in upper primary who have caught Covid - from their family. But no spread within the school.
Why the difference?

@Achristmaspudsskidu

Yes. Once you have competing experts it's just really hard to know. The study I read from Sweden does tally with the idea that neither parents nor teachers are at much higher risk. Of course for teachers there will be differences in the school setups between the two countries but for parents maybe it is more convincing.

Not sure where your info about Sweden come form but this directly contradicts you:

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.13.20211359v3

I think Sweden have smaller class sizes?

[quote notevenat20]@Achristmaspudsskidu

Yes. Once you have competing experts it's just really hard to know. The study I read from Sweden does tally with the idea that neither parents nor teachers are at much higher risk. Of course for teachers there will be differences in the school setups between the two countries but for parents maybe it is more convincing.[/quote]
Can you post the study?

@ichundich

Uni students went home 2 weeks ago.

And there are plenty of unis which didn't have major covid problems.