To bend christmas lockdown rules?

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Fully prepared to get flamed for this so I shall gird myself accordingly! But all the same I am uncertain of what I should do and am after some outside perspective.

I am working the 25th and then off work until the 30th. My original vague plan (pre announcement of rules etc.) was to drive home to my mother on Boxing day and then drive home again on the 29th. Obviously now that the rules have been announced this is not allowed.

Apart from the fact that it's a four hour drive and I don't particularly want to do an 8 hour round trip for one night etc. My mother has already had covid in October, I am getting twice weekly testing through work, I am not seeing anyone else over the festive period and neither is she. In my head - surely once I'm there in her house it's fairly irrelevant if I stay for 1 night or 3?

She is keen for me to stay until the 29th as we haven't seen each other since last christmas, I am little scared of breaking the rules but can't see why I shouldn't in this instance?

@Sosentueto - how is she risking harming or killing someone else? She will have had a test, will only go if its negative. She'll travel to the house of someone who's already had it so can't pass it on or catch it. She won't go to anyone else's house or see anyone else.

Theres a risk of being in a car accident, but that would be higher on 23rd/27th when more people are driving, and that's a risk every year, have you considered people to be selfishly putting others at risk by driving to see family or for a day out or a holiday outside of pandemic times?

This isn't a risk regarding covid being passed on, its a risk because she's breaking the rules and if caught its a pricy fine.

As you're a single person, surely your mum can be your support bubble? Then you're not breaking any rules at all - you can see her when you like.

Having to do the same OP. Unfortunately the relaxed travel restrictions don’t fit into my work schedule and I don’t fancy an 8 hour round trip to see my mum for less than a day as she also has work commitments. So I’ll be travelling out with the dates. I’ve spoke to many people who have said the likeliness of being pulled over is so low that the risk is worth it for the time I’ll get to spend with my mum. I haven’t seen her since March. She’s the only person I’ll see over Christmas.

You can have a negative Covid test one day and the next you could be positive. The point is people bending rules to suit themselves. I have told a friend not to come to mine until she stops going out for meals with different groups of people we are in tier 2. She belongs to several groups and they seem to be able to go inside eateries pretending to be in a bubble of six or saying they are family living together with no one challenging it and she seems proud of the fact she is doing this on a regular basis. I'm in an at risk group. I would rather she stopped this behaviour but she seems to be so blase so I'd rather not have her anywhere near me as she doesn't seem to understand what danger she is putting everyone in including herself.. She is in her 60s. It's all around people thinking they are above following rules and justifying why they do it. That's why it continues to spread. You can have Covid with no symptoms too. No matter how the rules sound stupid to you and you think it won't harm to do as you like the more people flout the guidance the more this goes on and on. Just stop!

You want to see yr mum get her a phone that she can video call you and you her. I haven't seen my Dgd since January in person but she video calls me everyday. I bought a phone that enabled me to do it learned how to use it and I can see and talk everyday to her. As there are ways to flout the rules there are even more simple ways to follow the rules. Then none of you need worry about fines which is a greater concern to a lot of you than safeguarding your own relatives.

I've also heard stories of people being stopped multiple times on the Welsh border in North Wales from work clients just into Wales, but a good many of their employees live in England.

But I don't think the OP is being unreasonable and is unlikely to be fined leaving Wales after the 27th, not everyone stopped will be fined and if you're polite and give a reason that fits on the allowed list on gov.uk, likely you'll just get sent on your way.

What's not allowed is people going for leisure like walking in the mountains or visiting the coastal towns.

The trouble is, they've been using ANPR. So people mention the borders but it's not just the borders.

Whose gonna bend the rules now then? Scotland and Wales are shutting their borders boxing day and Xmas is like the preverbial turkey STUFFED! My commiserations to all especially those in tier 4 who cannot travel out of their areas other than work or education and they can't even travel overseas. No one else can travel into tier 4 areas and the icing on the cake WHO are now being informed about new variant of Covid as no one's sure how deadly it is yet hence the annexing of the south south east and London. All they do know is it is 70% more virulent. Better tread carefully everyone about bending those rules!

@Sostenueto

Whose gonna bend the rules now then? Scotland and Wales are shutting their borders boxing day and Xmas is like the preverbial turkey STUFFED! My commiserations to all especially those in tier 4 who cannot travel out of their areas other than work or education and they can't even travel overseas. No one else can travel into tier 4 areas and the icing on the cake WHO are now being informed about new variant of Covid as no one's sure how deadly it is yet hence the annexing of the south south east and London. All they do know is it is 70% more virulent. Better tread carefully everyone about bending those rules!

Are you really that naive you think this is enforceable for everyone who'll be breaking the rule?

No sorry you can't. Whether you agree with the rules or not, you are not the one special person in the UK who gets to do what they like.

I feel awful for you and I'm in the same boat but sadly you just have to accept the rules like everyone else.

Just go for it op. If you’re going for 1 day you may as well go for a few days and make the most of spending time together. There’s nothing magical about 25th December that makes it any less risky than the other days! The 1 day rule is absolute nonsense.

bagginfarea it's falling on deaf ears on here but totally agree with you. I just hope they get fined which, by the way as they are committing a criminal offence comes with a police record too! Oooooh! but they may not realise that!

@Sostenueto

bagginfarea it's falling on deaf ears on here but totally agree with you. I just hope they get fined which, by the way as they are committing a criminal offence comes with a police record too! Oooooh! but they may not realise that!

Not if they pay the fixed penalty within 28 days.

@Sostenueto

bagginfarea it's falling on deaf ears on here but totally agree with you. I just hope they get fined which, by the way as they are committing a criminal offence comes with a police record too! Oooooh! but they may not realise that!

Since when? 😂

If u don't pay by date on fixed penalty. The Goverment can set any rules any measures since the Covid act was passed making it a criminal offence to break said rules and measures and setting the rules and measures in law. The Covid Act gave Government the power to do so since Covid d was declared a world pandemic to safeguard this countries citizens. Did people think it wasn't law?

It really is laughable that some people here think this crap is enforceable. I guess they're probably the same kind of people who think there's still 'bobbies on the beat' everywhere.

Hey 550 dying each day 22,000 infections a day and 3 weeks down the line or 28 days down the line 1 in 5 of those 22,000 infections a day will be dead of Covid. But don't let that worry you southwestdweller unless it's one of your family of course!

They won't let it worry them, as the majority on hre are so selfish and really dont care.
I really wish everyone would abide by the law and stop mixing, but it's not going to happen, the majority of the threads on here are proof.

@Sostenueto I don't hope they get fined - it's a really shit situation and I sympathise.

But sadly that's the rules. If everyone goes "oh but it's just me bending the rules" then there will be harsher restrictions.

OP I know it's easy to rationalise that you are not really breaking the rules but you would be. We all need to just accept that this is a real shitter.

Are the damn rules yesterday’s, last week’s or the Barnard set?

But it's very clear you are allowed to travel to someone alone etc in support bubble?

This is what I don't get if i go to my mums xmas eve to stay night and have xmas day there , why is that more riskier than spending just xmas day there. If one of us has virus xmas day likely we will pass it on then , i think doing one day was a bit harsh and I think a lot won't follow it fully , but I guess if it stops some and then makes people reduce what they are doing then they will think that may be enough to help
Germany had better rules that made sense and something that I wish the uk govement had looked at weeks ago
There is still a lot of mixing etc going on with people using bubbles etc
I know someone in a childcare bubble who think that means they can visit each other and stay over as and when they like , even when all off work, so they will mix for days over xmas as they say this is ok

@timeforanewstart because the longer you spend with someone the more chance there is to pass it on. You are contagious before symptoms start and that could start at any time

It's amazing how many people think they're above the law! We'll never be out of lockdown if selfish pillocks think they can just do as they please all the time

My understanding from the OP's post is that both she and her Mum live alone, so I am struggling to understand why they can't form a support bubble and see each other whenever they want. Is the issue that the law in Wales doesn't allow support bubbles?