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To feel no optimism whatsoever

125 replies

peasoup8 · 16/12/2020 23:07

The vaccine is going to take years to roll out at the current pace. I don’t see the point in celebrating NYE with my other half because 2021 is just going to be more of the same. I know this post is very negative but I’m just feeling like crap right now tbh. I can’t see any end in sight.

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Sobeyondthehills · 17/12/2020 07:22

@Defenbaker

I get what you are saying, but the constent, it will be 3 weeks, it will be over by summer, by october, by Christmas, by March and he just keeps going, while the scientists are face palming next to him.

It feels like every decision they have made has been a massive disaster, from the initial lockdown, to Christmas and everything in between. Not to mention, we still have Brexit to come.

My family, like thousands of others, have had a really shit time lost jobs, seperation from family, mental health crisis, financial problems etc and for that to continue for a year was shit, but to have it maybe continue for any longer, while you watch this government make shit decision after shit decision is unpalatable

Thepilotlightsgoneout · 17/12/2020 07:30

I feel the same. It’s just goes on and on and on. Every time I think of something we might do, it’s against the rules, or its shut, or it’s cancelled. I am so, so bored and it gets me down.

Thepilotlightsgoneout · 17/12/2020 07:32

@ChocChip01

Op - I feel the same. Literally feel so drained. Where I live some of the local GP practices have started administering the vaccination. In my job I work with elderly vulnerable people and I’ve been asking if they will get the vaccination. I’m surprised with the amount of people who said they wouldn’t take it. I try to convince them otherwise... but it feels so futile when some are so adamant they won’t take it. It really infuriates me (although I never show it to my patients) that we are sacrificing so much to help protect these people but at the same time some won’t take the thing which will protect them and ultimately get us out of this mess. Totally fed up!!
What reason do they generally give?
50but17inside · 17/12/2020 07:32

So interested to read a comment above fabout this all being an over reaction when death rate is so low. I see and hear this sentiment from people all the time and it shocks me that so many people still don’t get it.

The death rate is irrelevant. Taking all emotion out of it, on a purely objective basis it doesn’t matter how many old people die - in fact let’s be honest, it’s economically positive for old people to die. That’s not what this is about. It’s about the number of people who will get the virus - young and old - and will need a hospital bed and - this is the key bit - the services of trained medical staff to recover. I honestly don’t think the government messaging about this has been clear enough. People still don’t understand.

DirtyDancing · 17/12/2020 07:36

I understood there are a couple of other vaccines on the way. Moderna and Oxford. We have 105m doses ordered between the two sources. This gives me hope that there will be 2-3 vaccinations being rolled out by spring. This should reduced the amount of virus circulating & relieve pressure on beds.

However, OP, right now I completely agree it feels relentless, tough and generally crap. I feel for people on their own, single parents and those vulnerable people been asked to isolate it’s just awful Flowers

SnuggyBuggy · 17/12/2020 07:41

I think the problem is that lockdown and restrictions have had the effect of shrinking our worlds. Its harder to care about the bigger picture when you feel cut off from the bigger picture.

Passmeabottlemrjones · 17/12/2020 08:05

@Nikhedonia

No one really said it was likely to get any better this year,

They said we needed to lockdown for three weeks. They said a few weeks more. Later they said no winter lockdown.

We have been consistently told "just do it for a few more weeks and then it's over with"

To be fair, this really isn't the message that was given.

They never said it would be a 3 week lockdown and then all over, by the time lockdown came everyone knew it was serious and we were looking at possibly months. And it was always clear that winter was going to be tough, as the NHS is always busy during winter anyway.

I for one never thought it was be over in 3 weeks? Confused

Madhairday · 17/12/2020 08:21

@50but17inside

So interested to read a comment above fabout this all being an over reaction when death rate is so low. I see and hear this sentiment from people all the time and it shocks me that so many people still don’t get it.

The death rate is irrelevant. Taking all emotion out of it, on a purely objective basis it doesn’t matter how many old people die - in fact let’s be honest, it’s economically positive for old people to die. That’s not what this is about. It’s about the number of people who will get the virus - young and old - and will need a hospital bed and - this is the key bit - the services of trained medical staff to recover. I honestly don’t think the government messaging about this has been clear enough. People still don’t understand.

Yes, this. And the wider societal effects of allowing a virus that spreads so much free reign - I am so baffled when people talk about how they think it's an over reaction, as if they somehow believe that if we hadn't locked down, if we hadn't brought in restrictions, masks, SD, then by some magic everything would be ok and people wouldn't be losing work or having MH issues. It wouldn't just have been the death rate which would have been far, far higher, but the rate of infection affecting every single industry with more and more people off sick or isolating. Imagine the effect it would have if allowed to rip free - decimation of services at every level, mass MH issues due to the shock of mass deaths and what that would look like in an NHS utterly overrun, other illnesses even more left undiagnosed and untreated meaning far, far more deaths of cancer, sepsis, a hundred other things.

People who say it's an overreaction due to the small death rate remind me of people who say all the fuss about the millennium bug was an overreaction. They do not do their research to find out that for many years IT people worked round the clock to mitigate the issue. Without that work it would indeed have caused worldwide chaos. And the same with this. As the WHO says, the best way to make sure of better effects through society at every level is to contain the virus.

Now, I think our government have done things badly. They've made stupid and seemingly arbitrary decisions at times. They've dilly dallied too long and given contracts to their mates so wasted billions. But what choice was there? It's not like we're the only country in the world to impose lockdowns. Those who say it's an overreaction, what would you do?

I have every sympathy for those struggling. It's ok to say that and reach out. This is really, really crap. I've been shielding for most of this year and I am fed up. But there's also a part of me that gets very upset when people go on about how this is only existing, that it's not life, because for me and many other disabled and long term sick people this is life and we find ways to draw joy in the everyday even when housebound for months or years. It's really offensive when people belittle our lives in this way - and even more so when we are then blamed for all of this, as those pesky people who are just going to die anyway so why is the government bothering?

I think that, on the contrary, history will judge us harshly for not reaching quickly enough. 80,000 people have died of Covid - of, not with - see ONS - and excess deaths are even higher. Sometimes we forget what an utter tragedy that is in our scramble to minimise because the majority are old and/or sick anyway.

So yes. It sucks. But it is what it is and we just have to get through. Hope is on the horizon with the vaccine, the government will hurry it up because all they want is a growing economy again. It will get done and once most of us pesky old and vulnerable are done it'll be far less of a problem in hospitals. Sadly some healthy people will still die of it or contract long covid but it'll be more like flu, that will just happen. It's arresting the exponential nature of it that matters here so that we can begin to ease things.

It will get better. It will.

x2boys · 17/12/2020 08:27

Things are going to improve though,yes it's been a long hard year for everyone ,and im really not looking forward to January and February ,but as more and more people get vaccinated things will slowly start to get back to normal .

littlestpogo · 17/12/2020 08:29

I am also a single parent ( one of My DC has SEN) and am also feeling desperate atm. I don’t really have anyone to bubble with and family are the other end of the country. Wfh full time and juggling the kids and the irony the only other adult I see most of the time is my flipping ex.

It’s so bloody lonely and grim and feels like such a waste of precious time. I think it’s also Christmas is approaching and then the thought of January and February are always dark hard months. Im also mid 40s so too young for the vaccine but just at the point of slightly heightened risk ( and I know it’s a remote risk but I have had various injuries/ illnesses happen to me which were also remote risks!).

However I do think whatever is happening with the vaccine spring will start to slowly get better - just because last spring the virus did ebb away a little. And there will be more light and longer days. Just have to dig in somehow I guess.

Ninbuscl · 17/12/2020 08:29

Feeling exactly the same. Struggling this morning.

SnuggyBuggy · 17/12/2020 08:33

I'm trying not to think about January now. I'm sick of being stuck in the house, sick of wet parks and not being able to see family. We don't have anyone to bubble with either. Even my active 2 year old has reached her limit with being outside in this weather for too long. Existing sums it up for us.

50but17inside · 17/12/2020 08:36

@madhairday brilliant post

RaspberryCoulis · 17/12/2020 08:49

@Scbchl

My cousin in law is best friends with a scientist who has been involved in the making of the vaccine. She said he told her itl likely be at least a year before she gets it as a healthy forty year old woman.
Because as a healthy 40 year old, your risk is negligible.

Once they have approval for the Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine which is easier to transport and store, they can vaccinate far more people. Once the 60+ age group has all been vaccinated, which they are estimating will be around the end of March, there is no justification for masks, social distancing and the rest of it. Most people will just stop complying - I certainly will.

XiCi · 17/12/2020 08:49

Things of course will get better, and things change fast. I'm in Liverpool City Region. When the students came back Sept/Oct rates were sky high and we topped the tables for most infections. Now after only a couple of months the area I live in and over 20 other surrounding areas are considered to have 'suppressed' the virus (less than 2 active cases) and the whole region is now right at the bottom of the tables.
Both sets of parents are next in line for the vaccine. So, yes I see things improving quickly and a light at the end of the tunnel as far as normality is concerned.

bathsh3ba · 17/12/2020 08:59

I think it's this new strain that is making me feel the most miserable. If new strains keep coming up, and the NHS can't cope unless we have high levels of restrictions, and the vaccine can't be relied upon to prevent transmission (still unsure) or maybe even to protect against new strain (unknown), how will it ever end?

I have to just take it a day at a time, it's the only coping strategy that works.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 17/12/2020 09:10

Madhairday - thank you for that wonderful sane, wise post x

Ninbuscl · 17/12/2020 09:16

That’s exactly how I feel bathsh3ba and the fact that even if you have had it once you can get it again. So we will forever have endless rounds of infection with new strains.
And the people saying that a healthy 40 year old has a negligable risk. I am not sure about that. Maybe a low risk of dying. But what about getting very sick. Or long Covid. Even if 1 in 200 need hospitalisations (guessing) that’s still quite a high number for the nhs to cope with at a population level.

peasoup8 · 17/12/2020 09:57

I'm sick of being stuck in the house, sick of wet parks and not being able to see family.

I know, I fucking hate my local park. So sick of it.

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peasoup8 · 17/12/2020 10:00

That’s exactly how I feel bathsh3ba and the fact that even if you have had it once you can get it again. So we will forever have endless rounds of infection with new strains.

It’s the way it feels never-ending that gets me. I know there’s a vaccine now but even so, I still don’t trust that things are going to get back to normal any time soon. I don’t know why I feel like that either - for some reason I’ve just got major doubts.

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peasoup8 · 17/12/2020 10:02

Even Boris (normally Mr Optimism) didn’t seem that excited when he announced the vaccine and said there’s still a long road ahead.

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Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 17/12/2020 10:09

I agree with nearly everything you put.
It is awful. Just really awful.
I've been pretty okay but this last week I feel like I've hit a wall and I've had enough.

I really don't believe it will go down as the biggest overreaction in history though. Things would have been so much worse if the actions that have been taken weren't taken. Hard to see that though when everything is so crap.

makingitupaswegoon · 17/12/2020 10:09

My worry is how we ever get out of this ... the levels of fear are far higher the actual risk of death / needing hospitalisation for Covid. Somewhere along the line people have forgotten that for the vast vast majority of people covid is an unpleasant but not dangerous illness. And long Covid is not a new thing .... many many virus can affect people for a long time afterwards.

user1471588124 · 17/12/2020 10:09

I'm tired of being told "it'll get better" as if as a young person my life chances haven't already been permenantley set back by this. Maybe things will get better if you're middle class and already establiahed in a career/family, but the economic impacts of this are enormous and certainly wont go away with a vaccine.

peasoup8 · 17/12/2020 10:11

My worry is how we ever get out of this ... the levels of fear are far higher the actual risk of death / needing hospitalisation for Covid. Somewhere along the line people have forgotten that for the vast vast majority of people covid is an unpleasant but not dangerous illness. And long Covid is not a new thing .... many many virus can affect people for a long time afterwards.

Agree with you @makingitupaswegoon

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