Endgame

[Username198]

I keep hearing people saying they’re expecting some sort of normality from April 2021 and I really hope I’m wrong but I just can’t see it. They’ve spent all year telling us the virus can be deadly for anyone and young people are more at risk of long covid. On the basis no one under the age of 50 has been vaccinated by March/April (again could be wrong but just can’t see it) how can they start to lift restrictions until everyone has been offered the vaccine?

The stats are from the WHO - www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sepsis. 20% of deaths worldwide every year are from infection.

We can't carry on destroying the economy, messing the treatment of other conditions and destroying people's mental health and freedom for a virus that the majority survive.

The average age for Covid deaths is 82, above our average life expectancy in the UK.

It is simply impossible to justify caging the entire population beyond the winter when you consider those facts....

You are welcome to stay home for the next ten years but many us want to get on with things...

I'm of the opinion that nearly ALL under 40s do not need vaccinating - it is a waste.

No vaccine is 100% effective, effectiveness wears off over time, and there may be people unable to have the vaccine (at the moment, those with severe allergies). Vaccinating under 40s isn't to protect the under 40s, it's to protect those of the more vulnerable who aren't 100% protected for whatever reason.

The government have always said it's about bringing the R rate down and protecting the NHS

No they haven't, they said that initially, and then despite the R rate being very low, and no community infection, immediately swapped to an utterly failed eradication policy, running at "not overwhelmed NHS" throughout the summer would've been a very different strategy to what was done.

With the amount of fear the government have pumped into the system, lots of people will not be willing to live with a circulating virus, so the media and government will continue to restrict and rant against "rule breaking" even if all at risk people are vaccinated.

And as we see in this thread, people asserting that non at risk people need to vaccinated against it, saying it's to protect those who can't be. Now covid isn't flu, but flu without a vaccine is often more of a killer (and it kills young kids too, which covid doesn't), yet no-one has yet demanded people take the flu vaccine to protect others.

For the under 10's chicken pox is more of a killer, yet we don't vaccinate against that.

@TheDailyCarbuncle

A friend of mine died a long, slow, horrific death from the cold sore virus (herpes simplex). I have that virus. I don't worry about it because there's no point.

Being terrified of a virus that you have almost 100% chance of surviving, to the extent that you'll damage your own life and the lives of others to avoid it, isn't sensible or rational.

This is the first time I have heard of any one dying of a the cold sore virus in my nearly 50 years. Wish I could say the same about Covid. And then there are the people who haven't died, but don't seem to be recovering either or have been left with horrific damage.

Trying to compare Covid to Herpes Simplex is beyond absurd.

You don't seem to have understood my point @BlueBlancmange which means you're either deliberately pretending not to get it or it's just so difficult for you to understand a clearer explanation won't help.

Either way I can't be bothered to explain it to you again. Others will get it.

@TheDailyCarbuncle

You don't seem to have understood my point *@BlueBlancmange* which means you're either deliberately pretending not to get it or it's just so difficult for you to understand a clearer explanation won't help.

Either way I can't be bothered to explain it to you again. Others will get it.

I have understood every point you make on here. You want the virus just to be allowed to rip though the population and you'll grasp at anything, no matter how twisted or absurd, to seek to try to present that viewpoint as a good idea.

Nope @BlueBlancmange but good on you for trying. You might get it some day.

@MereDintofPandiculation

I'm of the opinion that nearly ALL under 40s do not need vaccinating - it is a waste.

No vaccine is 100% effective, effectiveness wears off over time, and there may be people unable to have the vaccine (at the moment, those with severe allergies). Vaccinating under 40s isn't to protect the under 40s, it's to protect those of the more vulnerable who aren't 100% protected for whatever reason.

Yes, I'm aware of that. So we keep vaccinating those that need it (as with flu) - we cannot vaccinate the entire 8 billion plus people every year. It's absurd.

My friends primary school child almost died from chicken pox.

I've said on here before, after glandular fever at 19 i was bed bound for 5 months and it took over a year before i was able to go back to my full time job.

Post viral illnesses are not new!! We just dont usually shut down the economy for them.

Once the NHS is better equipped (I mean, it happens every year that they are overrun but somehow NEXT year will be different ) and has free beds (again, previous winters this has always been an issue, but you know, not covid so doesnt count) we should be released from the restrictions. Vaccines will be out to the majority if not all of the vulnerable and over 80s and so we can get back to living.

I'm 40, I'm not living in fear of a virus that the most likely outcome of will be that I feel a bit crook for a couple of weeks.

I have understood every point you make on here. You want the virus just to be allowed to rip though the population and you'll grasp at anything, no matter how twisted or absurd, to seek to try to present that viewpoint as a good idea.
@TheDailyCarbuncle is well able to speak for herself, but saying that we don't need to put the entire country on hold until every man, woman and child is vaccinated is hardly wanting "the virus just to be allowed to rip though the population." Don't be daft.