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Are you ready for another 6 months of restrictions ?

421 replies

Xtfc123 · 10/12/2020 19:33

Does anybody think that this will all be normal by March/April, no more masks or restrictions ?
Ready to 'do your bit' and not see family and friends and have restrictions on your lives until potentially summer ?

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MistletoeandGin · 10/12/2020 22:08

@Againstmachine

Marshall law,

Wish people would stop with this it's Martial Law not Marshall.

You knew what she meant. SPAG nitpicking is tiresome.
Wigisfashion83 · 10/12/2020 22:11

Why does it make you so angry that somebody used the wrong word ?

Againstmachine · 10/12/2020 22:11

No it's not about spelling it's about people using completely wrong term, I have seen it all over and it's getting more and more annoying as they aren't even the same word.

MistletoeandGin · 10/12/2020 22:12

@Againstmachine

No it's not about spelling it's about people using completely wrong term, I have seen it all over and it's getting more and more annoying as they aren't even the same word.
Well good for you for pointing out the error of her ways.
Wigisfashion83 · 10/12/2020 22:12

So what ? It's still comprehensible, surely there are much worse things to get angry over ?

Bluebell246 · 10/12/2020 22:13

Just had a letter from DS's school telling him to isolate for 14 days which means not going outside at all during that period because he sat near another child who tested positive. And then a few paragraphs later it acknowledges that for most people Covid will be a mild illness. So on the one hand it is so dangerous it entitles a government to effectively put a child under house arrest but on the other hand it is a mild illness for most so not to worry. There's something about this that just does not stack up.

CoronaBollox · 10/12/2020 22:14

I cant stand when people compare it to the war. I have someone of my fb who bangs on and on about we wouldnt last a minute, snowflakes bla bla. Well, I'm pretty sure if social media was a thing back then they would update a status with "this is fucking shite"

Anyway OP. I cant blame anyone for giving up, I cant believe people are still calling for stricter rules. The shit show I see all around me, the heavy price the next generation will have to pay for, madness.

MadameBlobby · 10/12/2020 22:14

JVT said that once the most vulnerable are vaccinated that will reduce hospital admissions and deaths by 99%. There can be no justification for continued measures at those numbers.

Wigisfashion83 · 10/12/2020 22:14

I know kids who have had to isolate 3 times for 2 weeks at a time since the year started. It's really not right.

Wigisfashion83 · 10/12/2020 22:15

So who are the most vulnerable, the 90+, care residents etc ? When do they expect them to all be vaccinated by ?

Bluntness100 · 10/12/2020 22:16

Yes I think we will be back to normal by Easter, it’s over three months of vaccinating rhe population. They only need fifty percent done.

Lindtballsrock · 10/12/2020 22:16

I’ll stick with restrictions as long as it takes. I don’t mind meeting people outside or via technology, and find wearing a mask quite helpful in the winter for keeping my nose warm.

Parker231 · 10/12/2020 22:16

I think the vulnerable will be vaccinated by Spring.

MistletoeandGin · 10/12/2020 22:16

@Bluebell246

Just had a letter from DS's school telling him to isolate for 14 days which means not going outside at all during that period because he sat near another child who tested positive. And then a few paragraphs later it acknowledges that for most people Covid will be a mild illness. So on the one hand it is so dangerous it entitles a government to effectively put a child under house arrest but on the other hand it is a mild illness for most so not to worry. There's something about this that just does not stack up.
Outside of household transmission, the number of people who are identified as being a ‘close contact’ by track and trace and then go on to test positive themselves is 1.4%.
HarveySchlumpfenburger · 10/12/2020 22:17

@MarshaBradyo

Rafal where is your family? NZ or Aus I’m guessing. Mine too. It’s hard to see sometimes given where we are.

But anyway. Ok thanks for dates. My question would be around whether that would be sufficient, France and Spain were earlier. Italy earlier still (but arguably hit earlier). Germany said to have acted well - although did same date as us (not sure where narrative of them being earlier came from) - but still not living normal lives and entering further restrictions atm.

To eliminate you need to be very early on curve I reckon. And then the other difference to Aus and NZ is the huge amount of road freight coming in daily rather than ports.

I think the German thing is about being earlier on the curve rather than the date isn’t it? So they might have locked down on the same date but they had fewer cases/100k with a slower doubling rate.

I agree about the road freight which is why very low covid rather than elimination might have been a better idea. But it doesn’t feel like we’ve tried that. We seem to have got stuck with endless restrictions that aren’t quite enough to decrease cases and don’t have a visible end.

Would a fire break lockdown at the end of September when cases were much lower really have been worse than what we have now? We could have ended up with more places in tiers 1 and 2 for a start.

Againstmachine · 10/12/2020 22:18

So what ? It's still comprehensible, surely there are much worse things to get angry over ?

I am not angry, you and the other person seem much more angry about me questioning it, I just find it amusing that people think a completely different word means the same.

MistletoeandGin · 10/12/2020 22:19

@Againstmachine

So what ? It's still comprehensible, surely there are much worse things to get angry over ?

I am not angry, you and the other person seem much more angry about me questioning it, I just find it amusing that people think a completely different word means the same.

Not angry, I just think sneering at people over such a minor thing is a bit sad really. You knew what she meant.
Pikachubaby · 10/12/2020 22:20

I will be amazed and overjoyed if we are back to “normal” by summer

Personally I do not believe we will ever be back to our old freedom.

The NHS and the government will continue to control us (for our own good). We have all collectively accepted we must keep the NHS safe, instead of more beds, better organised medical care, we instead control patient numbers by controlling citizens.

Civil liberties have gone. We’ll have restrictions at the very least every flu season, and every new virus or mutation of existing viruses.

I hope I’m wrong, but I can see no grounds for optimism at all Sad

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 10/12/2020 22:21

@MadameBlobby

JVT said that once the most vulnerable are vaccinated that will reduce hospital admissions and deaths by 99%. There can be no justification for continued measures at those numbers.
I think that’s around 20million people. It’s not just the very elderly and the clinically vulnerable. It might take some time to get that many people vaccinated.
HarveySchlumpfenburger · 10/12/2020 22:23

The NHS and the government will continue to control us (for our own good). We have all collectively accepted we must keep the NHS safe, instead of more beds, better organised medical care, we instead control patient numbers by controlling citizens.

No healthcare system in the world can cope with uncontrolled covid. It isn’t an NHS thing it’s a virus thing.

Crazycatlady83 · 10/12/2020 22:29

[quote LindaEllen]@Crazycatlady83 What do you mean lockdown 'hasn't worked'? What do you think the lockdown is for? Do you understand how a virus spreads? Even if there are only a handful of people left with the virus, it will eventually spread back to bigger numbers again as soon as people start mixing.

The only aim of the lockdowns has ever been to reduce pressure on the NHS, because a virus of this nature cannot be eradicated. If that's what you were hoping for, I'm afraid you will be hoping for a very long time.[/quote]
But cases are still rising, after less than a week of coming out of lockdown, how on earth has lockdown / reopen worked? Are we to stay in lockdown until everyone has been vaccinated? Most have to think of the economic impact of this rather than just solely focusing on covid. Our debt currently is 96% of our GDP. It’s not as simple for most people to just say “lockdown, save the NHS” etc etc. After months and months of this, after considerations have to come into play

Perhaps other questions need to be asked?

We know who this effects, is it time to ask all over 65s to lockdown (and support them to do so)

Why are we not asking questions as to what the hell this government have been doing in the last 9 months - why bother building the nightingales if we had no plan to staff them.

Are we supporting people to self isolate, to enable them to do the 14 days (it’s clear that people aren’t self isolating for whatever reason) Would it be better to cut isolation so more people would realistically comply but for a shorter time and test on say day 7? Yes we would miss some people who took 14 days to show a positive test, but we might get more people to isolate.

Why do people just think lockdown is the only answer to all the problems? We have been told time and again that we need to “learn to live with the virus” but the government are putting no strategies in place to do this?

Is ok to question the strategy of this government and not get hysterical about doing so. We know a lot more about the virus than we did in March and using lockdowns, seems a blunt tool that isn’t working. Because the government seem completely and utterly unable to factor in the human factor with lockdowns that people aren’t complying.

Can people take another 6 months of this? It’s pretty clear not, so how can we control the virus whilst factoring that in? We certainly don’t keep doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result!

Pikachubaby · 10/12/2020 22:29

Rafal....

Either way. We’re in this for good

No way back

Wether it’s pinned on the NHS or not, our freedoms are gone and we’ll be in lockdown on and off

We are under control

And as long as we have Netflix and Ocado (bread and circuses, what was it again that Caesar said? Along those lines), most of us are happy with that

Tumbleweed101 · 10/12/2020 22:32

Masks have been my biggest restriction on 'normal' activities. I wear glasses the constant steaming up and being blind along with the horrible feeling of the mask makes you feel that all your senses are blocked up. I did a long day out yesterday, the longest I've been out in months as needed some xmas gifts I couldn't get online and today my face and lips are really sore. I can't imagine how awful it must be to work in them all day too, fortunately my job doesn't require them.

I've followed the rules but the mask is the thing I personally struggle with most day to day.

AllTheUserNamesAreTaken · 10/12/2020 22:37

Summer this year was pretty normal. Summer next year - with many people vaccinated - should be a lot better.

Not in the North West it wasn’t. We’ve been living under restrictions throughout apart form a couple of weeks.

I just desperately hope they can get enough people vaccinated by spring so we can have a bit of normality

Quartz2208 · 10/12/2020 22:37

@Pikachubaby

I will be amazed and overjoyed if we are back to “normal” by summer

Personally I do not believe we will ever be back to our old freedom.

The NHS and the government will continue to control us (for our own good). We have all collectively accepted we must keep the NHS safe, instead of more beds, better organised medical care, we instead control patient numbers by controlling citizens.

Civil liberties have gone. We’ll have restrictions at the very least every flu season, and every new virus or mutation of existing viruses.

I hope I’m wrong, but I can see no grounds for optimism at all Sad

Really? They can’t even control us now