Are you ready for another 6 months of restrictions ?

[Xtfc123]

Does anybody think that this will all be normal by March/April, no more masks or restrictions ?
Ready to 'do your bit' and not see family and friends and have restrictions on your lives until potentially summer ?

But posting that This quite neatly encapsulates the gulf between the "more lockdown" and "open up" camps. paints a picture that if you believe there needs to be further restrictions, you must (as I said earler) be some smug SAHM, fannying about on a horse having a ball. It's fucking tiresome, and insulting.

@HazeyJaneII

But posting that This quite neatly encapsulates the gulf between the "more lockdown" and "open up" camps. paints a picture that if you believe there needs to be further restrictions, you must (as I said earler) be some smug SAHM, fannying about on a horse having a ball. It's fucking tiresome, and insulting.

Or it was directly in retaliation to that particular poster. And of course it was a generalisation... we all make them. Anecdotally, all the people I know in real life who want continued/stricter lockdown are those who are comfortably working from home in white collar jobs with no money worries. Of course I know that doesn’t mean everyone who wants continued lockdown is in those circumstances, but it is human nature to generalise based on their own lived experiences.

Anecdotally, all the people I know in real life who want continued/stricter lockdown are those who are comfortably working from home in white collar jobs with no money worries

Again, it would just be anecdotal, but all the people I know who want this to continue are comfortably off and either SAHM or WFH.

@HazeyJaneII

But posting that This quite neatly encapsulates the gulf between the "more lockdown" and "open up" camps. paints a picture that if you believe there needs to be further restrictions, you must (as I said earler) be some smug SAHM, fannying about on a horse having a ball. It's fucking tiresome, and insulting.

"Encapsulates" does not equal "is literally".

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Just create a small bubble of close friends/family that you see. I'm sure most people are doing this, makes a huge difference to sanity.

@MassiveSalad

Anecdotally, all the people I know in real life who want continued/stricter lockdown are those who are comfortably working from home in white collar jobs with no money worries

Again, it would just be anecdotal, but all the people I know who want this to continue are comfortably off and either SAHM or WFH.

Same. Or have their family set up.

It's having long lasting permanent impacts on single people.

Exactly, that's what i've done. Family, partner and meet up with the odd friend socially distanced. Keeps me going.

Encapsulate = to express the essential features of (something) succinctly.

I'm just saying it seems to be a common trope on here (repeated several times on this thread and others) and it isn't some universal truth.

Anyway, frankly I have hit a wall tonight, and mumsnet is making me feel like shit, so I'd better have a bit of a break.

I think we all just want to try and get through this as best we can, and I hope we all do, whatever our circumstances.

Anyway, frankly I have hit a wall tonight, and mumsnet is making me feel like shit, so I'd better have a bit of a break.

It really is a shit time.

@Xtfc123

Does anybody think that this will all be normal by March/April, no more masks or restrictions ? Ready to 'do your bit' and not see family and friends and have restrictions on your lives until potentially summer ?

Definitely not as there is no way we will have vaccinated enough people by then and everything I listened to (doctors and researchers on local news programmes) hint that because some people will also refuse to take it the mask wearing must continue for a long time.

But summer will be better and more like our last summer :) tbh I'm more worried about brexit making everything extra shit again with you know, lack of food, white goods and everything we do get extortionate.

@HazeyJaneII

But posting that This quite neatly encapsulates the gulf between the "more lockdown" and "open up" camps. paints a picture that if you believe there needs to be further restrictions, you must (as I said earler) be some smug SAHM, fannying about on a horse having a ball. It's fucking tiresome, and insulting.

I dont think this is quite true. I know a number of hairdressers and key workers who are still really worried about it all and minimise their contact with others when they're not at work. Just because they need to be out there, doesn't mean they are happy to run around having houseparties and hug big groups of friends.

And actually the sahp I know are incredibly stressed out and on the verge of a breakdown.

@MistletoeandGin

Oh ffs, do you really think that everyone who thinks there might have to be on going restrictions, are just wanging about on horses

That particular poster said she was happy for it to go on for 2 years because she’s enjoying it. Nothing about the need for ongoing restrictions, she just said she enjoyed them.

I think this poster is in the minority.

To be clear-I said I could do this for another 2 years. Specifically answering the OP’s question.

Do I hope it is necessary for 2 more years? Not in the slightest. I hope things do return to “normal” in 2021.

What I can personally cope with and what I’d want for others are different things. I don’t understand what’s difficult to comprehend about that!

My organisation expects a minimum 3 years to recover the financial position pre-Covid and thats optimistic. Financially it will be difficult globally, but I’m not going to mope about the house hand wringing. My grandmother is 93 and only seen one person since March (my Aunt who visits daily). She’s not left her house or garden in all that time. Yet she’s being positive too even though there’s a real possibility she’ll die before it gets better. I take my lead in life from her.

@ZanyPam

Just create a small bubble of close friends/family that you see. I'm sure most people are doing this, makes a huge difference to sanity.

Sadly it's not that simple for very many people.

People who live alone with no family nearby for example. And those individuals might not be high enough on other people's priority list to be included in their bubbles. They might be working from home so that they literally see no one in RL now, other than those they see in the shops. And the hobbies and interests that normally provide their social lives have all been shut down.

It's so difficult and often people have trouble envisaging the intricacies of other people's situations.

Anyone belittling the concerns of 'the other side' as "wanting to go to Corfu on holiday" or "worrying about getting a bit of a cold" can go to fuck.

The virus and its threat to lives is shit. The lockdown and its threat to livelihoods is shit. Neither side is wrong for worrying about the impact of either.

@Lelophants there is no way I’m continuing to wear masks and not see people because some people have refused the vaccine. Not going to happen, they made their choice and can live with the consequences.

[quote Mousehole10]@Lelophants there is no way I’m continuing to wear masks and not see people because some people have refused the vaccine. Not going to happen, they made their choice and can live with the consequences.[/quote]
There is the issue that some people will be unable to have the vaccine e.g. if they have allergies (as on the news recently). It is also not currently advised for pregnant women or children under 18, despite it being clear it can spread through them and effect them badly.

I can see your frustration, but we also need to be sensible and fair. Restrictions will still be better than now. I'm hoping for more mass testing.

@Wigisfashion83

I find the whole 'I don't want to kill my parents' is too far, since most very elderly and vulnerable people survive.

But it happens a lot. Also, why do so many people dismiss long covid? It's crazy. You can hate it but still be smart enough to acknowledge it. Honestly!

@SaintWilfred

Anyone belittling the concerns of 'the other side' as "wanting to go to Corfu on holiday" or "worrying about getting a bit of a cold" can go to fuck.

The virus and its threat to lives is shit. The lockdown and its threat to livelihoods is shit. Neither side is wrong for worrying about the impact of either.

Thank you! I don't think anyone is evil for worrying more about one than the other. We're all individuals with our owns lives, circumstances and worries. We're all just trying to do what's best. And ultimately everyone puts themselves first. For some people that means following restrictions to the max because the most important thing to them is living. For others it means seeing afew select people and/or doing hobbies because they'd rather be dead than lonely like total lockdown causes. We all just have to try and get through, be considerate for sure but no one is evil for bending/breaking the rules slightly to get themselves through.

For some people some things are worse than death, for other people for whom survival is the most important thing, to them death is the worst that could happen. I don't think anyone can judge either.

@Lelophants Yes I understand there will be some people who can't have it but they will be in the minority. Covid isn't going away so they will always be at risk unfortunately and will have to take their own precautions. Once restrictions are relaxed, which will happen once the phase 1 vaccinations have been rolled out, I won't keep on mask wearing and distancing if it's no longer mandatory.

[quote Mousehole10]@Lelophants Yes I understand there will be some people who can't have it but they will be in the minority. Covid isn't going away so they will always be at risk unfortunately and will have to take their own precautions. Once restrictions are relaxed, which will happen once the phase 1 vaccinations have been rolled out, I won't keep on mask wearing and distancing if it's no longer mandatory.[/quote]
Having spoken to a couple of family doctors, the idea is that they are going to keep on developing vaccinnes so ideally there will be a point where as many people as possible can have it. It may never be everybody, you're right, but it'll still be more than will be manageable for at least the first half of next year. I think we have to be ready to realise that mask wearing will be a big part of the near future unfortunately. In all honesty mask wearing is probably the easiest thing about the pandemic for most people. I'm sorry if you have a condition which makes it very difficult for you.