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Secondary schools are stuffed, GOVERNMENT ADMITS

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noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 17:42

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55265098

Mass testing for secondary school pupils in worst affected areas.

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RubyViolet · 10/12/2020 18:27

The Unions have let the staff, pupils and parents down.
They have done precisely zero to challenge the Government’s strategy.
They are not fit for purpose.Chocolate teapots.

MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2020 18:27

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

Online is probably the best option, Marsha.

But if it can't be done, then I do think just closing for this week is probably the best option.

In an ideal world, schools would have been made as safe as possible with the funding to do so and testing would have been made available earlier. But that isn't where we are now because we spent so long denying that there was a problem.

Ah I’m a yr11 nerve boat who needs every week we get. But I do see that after Christmas all those mixing and re entering school isn’t great either.

I can see why people are outraged. Although also why London gets this treatment. It’s pretty much the economic engine of U.K. - although I know that doesn’t help. It is crap if schools have not had testing thus far. They should have.

NuttyinNotts · 10/12/2020 18:27

@Orangeblossom77777

Why can't they cover all areas and offer them to those who want them as they did with students?

In particular those visiting vulnerable relatives...

Those who live with vulnerable relatives should have been offered weekly testing months ago, seeing as how they still have to attend school.
ChasingRainbows19 · 10/12/2020 18:27

There will be groups of people who won’t be testing with symptoms or testing their kids in the next week or so as they know positive results will mean an end to Christmas gatherings. ( this has actually been discussed by people)

My sibling works in a primary school and they’ve been heavily affected but no pupil testing. They have had to isolate due to positive pupil contacts not just staff. Rightly so after this announcement they are not happy! Schools in the north/midlands have been just left to it. It’s shocking.

No mass testing when our rates were hitting 6/700 per 100,000. But they’ll blame Burnham for that. This government just gets worse.

Livelovebehappy · 10/12/2020 18:28

The schools situation has been a huge cover up for months. My brother is a secondary school teacher and his school, in the North, has been rampant with covid cases amongst the children for the last few months, to an extent that I couldn’t believe it wasn’t big news. Every teacher in the school has had covid at some point, and children have been sent home on a daily basis. Schools and unis have been hotbeds for the virus, but the government have not wanted to close schools again due to the massive outcry it would cause.

noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 18:28

@sashagabadon

But it only applies to a tiny part of London. 7 boroughs out of 32 so the vast majority of schools in London will not benefit ( for those worried that London school kids are getting beneficial treatment - most aren’t you’ll be pleased to hear)
It's just not about the preferential treatment of a minority, it's about the fact that the government have been LYING about transmission in secondary schools for months and have now admitted it's an issue.

THEY LIED.

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Loshad · 10/12/2020 18:28

Ans @FiveFootTwoEyesOfBlue numbers are falling both in my district, and the wider local region, but raging round my lovely school.
Everyone is on their knees, we can, and have proved time and time again that can teach remotely well. A week remotely now for everyone could save a hell of a lot of misery. Of course it’s not as lovely as having the kids in, but for tier 2 regions in the South to be offered mass testing is a massive kick in the teeth.

duffeldaisy · 10/12/2020 18:30

We, and quite a few people I know, are being careful this Christmas and we've agreed not to see relatives (a mutual decision, as they're quite high up the list for jabs). And while I have been extremely worried all term about outbreaks, I'm actually more worried the weeks after Christmas when people who have got together, or who have partied, then send kids back to school.

As usual, the government are several weeks behind. Testing should have taken place after a couple of weeks of school (in all parts of the country) to see what was going on, so they could actually do something about it. Private schools break up tomorrow anyway (meaning most ministers' children are fine), but state schools are now meant to have testing in the final week - resulting in families isolating over Christmas, and then able to meet up in the last few days before next term.

They'd be better off just giving good notice now to run rota systems and support parents who need it in keeping off, on alternate weeks, non-keyworker kids to work from home in January. Or to put some classes in church buildings, or empty offices, etc. and employ extra staff to teach the small classes. (Teaching has a huge turnover rate, so there must be a lot of qualified teachers who might consider returning - temporarily - to well-spaced classes of 15). It would take a lot of work to implement, but if the government actually thought ahead for once, we could manage to keep infections low while the vaccine is being rolled out. It's only an emergency measure.

I'm genuinely dreading January, the way things are going. It's appalling, how the government has ignored worried teachers and parents, and the outbreaks in the North.

Danglingmod · 10/12/2020 18:30

There MUST have been a D notice?

Surely?

HeyBaby2020 · 10/12/2020 18:31

@Blacktothepink

Ffs, shut the fucking schools!
No.
noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 18:31

The government lies have killed people.

I want Chris Whitty and pals to publicly retract their 'schools are safe' letter to the public.

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AnyoneseenGav · 10/12/2020 18:32

Herein lieth the answers:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/942966/Weekly_COVID-19_and_Influenza_Surveillance_Graphs_W50.pdf

Lok at the year 11 lines, and the London data.

duffeldaisy · 10/12/2020 18:32

"It's just not about the preferential treatment of a minority, it's about the fact that the government have been LYING about transmission in secondary schools for months and have now admitted it's an issue.

THEY LIED."

Yes. (Not that that's any great surprise). But also, they absolutely vilified teachers who were worried, hounded parents into deregistering their children, and insisted on fines and prosecution in England, rather than give parents a choice.

HeyBaby2020 · 10/12/2020 18:33

@Viviennemary

London should have been in Tier 3.
No.
NiceTwin · 10/12/2020 18:33

We haven't made the local news.
We are a 1250 pupil school.
We have 3 year groups out at present, just go try and cut the transmission.
This week alone, we have 17 teacher's positive and they are all independent, we don't as a staff mix with each other.
We have 7 students who have taken their various bubbles.

We are all going to hell in a hand cart AngrySad

FiveFootTwoEyesOfBlue · 10/12/2020 18:35

How about some actual statistics instead of hyperbole?

On Thursday 3rd December:
attendance in all state schools (England): 85.5%
proportion of open state schools: 99.5%

explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/attendance-in-education-and-early-years-settings-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak

Chaotic45 · 10/12/2020 18:36

I'm in Leicester. I'm so sad that no one in power seems to give a shit about our community and our kids.

I know other areas are suffering too, but the rules have been relentless here. We have only been out of lockdown for 3 weeks since end of March.

Why has there been none of this extra help, testing, financial assistance for us?

It's horrible to feel like your community really is less valued than others. This in turn damages people's compliance levels and TBH I don't blame them!

TicTacTwo · 10/12/2020 18:37

twitter.com/dwnews/status/1336616315021389824?s=21

What a difference in attitude

sashagabadon · 10/12/2020 18:39

[quote Loshad]@Bacter but if levels are so low in London wtf do they get mass testing first.
My school is on its knees, another 16 cases amongst staff and students since Monday, PHE have refused to let the head shut the school and us teach remotely for the final week. So we limp on, with about 60% of kids in, mass cover, spreading and spreading. We are well set up for remote teaching too.
It makes me really angry this London centric mantra the government have ( and to be fair governments before them) Up here in the frozen north we have been shouting for testing, mask wearing, blended learning for months, but it is only until it hits London that any action for schools starts to happen.
I hope to hell they don’t end up with the deaths of 2 of our currently very ill members of staff on their consciences.[/quote]
It’s not London centric though. It is a tiny minority of London boroughs this applies to. 7 out of 32 so 25 are not getting the testing including my own and I am fine with that if that is what the scientists say.

RubyViolet · 10/12/2020 18:40

@Chaotic45

I'm in Leicester. I'm so sad that no one in power seems to give a shit about our community and our kids.

I know other areas are suffering too, but the rules have been relentless here. We have only been out of lockdown for 3 weeks since end of March.

Why has there been none of this extra help, testing, financial assistance for us?

It's horrible to feel like your community really is less valued than others. This in turn damages people's compliance levels and TBH I don't blame them!

I really feel for the people of Leicester. If you could have had this testing you maybe could have had some respite. I can’t imagine how hard it’s been for everyone there.
noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 18:41

attendance in all state schools (England): 85.5%

"On 3 December, attendance in state-funded primary schools was 90%, up from 88% and attendance in state-funded secondary schools was 81%, up from 78%."

You get that that's terrible, right?

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sashagabadon · 10/12/2020 18:41

@TicTacTwo

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1336616315021389824?s=21

What a difference in attitude

Why?! If Boris or Matt Hancock did that, half the people in here would be calling it fake, insincere, laughing, ridiculing etc etc.
FiveFootTwoEyesOfBlue · 10/12/2020 18:42

The decision will be based on the data, if rates are rising in that age group.
Also, mass testing using the quick result test has only recently become available.

noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 18:42

Why?! If Boris or Matt Hancock did that, half the people in here would be calling it fake, insincere, laughing, ridiculing etc etc.

That's because no one trusts them.

If we had decent leaders, we wouldn't be in this terrible position.

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Itisasecret · 10/12/2020 18:42

[quote FiveFootTwoEyesOfBlue]How about some actual statistics instead of hyperbole?

On Thursday 3rd December:
attendance in all state schools (England): 85.5%
proportion of open state schools: 99.5%

explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/attendance-in-education-and-early-years-settings-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak[/quote]
Those are appalling figures and actually back up what teachers have said.

Do you not understand what you have quoted?