Secondary schools are stuffed, GOVERNMENT ADMITS

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55265098

Mass testing for secondary school pupils in worst affected areas.

@Clavinova - can you not see that whilst it may be the case that an adult is more likely to spread covid 19 than a child, that a class with several covid positive children sitting in close proximity all day is going to create fantastic conditions for children to start passing the virus on, too, due to sheer numbers and lack of physical distancing - including to their teacher, who can then finish the job off for them??? Or are you being deliberately obtuse and also constantly referring to data that was not even collected in winter when schools had been back fully for enough months for more reliable data to have been collected by now???

cantkeepawayforever
So 18 year olds at university transmit between one another, but 18 year olds in school can ONLY get Covid from teachers?

Hopefully teachers are sitting more than 2 metres away from 18 year old pupils.

@Clavinova

cantkeepawayforever So 18 year olds at university transmit between one another, but 18 year olds in school can ONLY get Covid from teachers?

Hopefully teachers are sitting more than 2 metres away from 18 year old pupils.

@Clavinova - yes, the DfE is very hopeful. Not very proactive, though, in ensuring schools have the ability to do more than hope with the facilities available to them. Sadly, in any event, 2m distancing makes little difference if in a room with lots of people all day. A room you have even suggested teachers should be eating their lunch in.

Thank you MrsFezziwig
I need to read posts like yours to remind myself of the tragedy of business going through so much and often having to lay off staff and even close, only for it to be all for nothing with the school transmissions still not getting any better. We need these businesses. What is the government thinking!?

But, hurrah, it is only on your 18th birthday that you become a risk! Cinderella shall go to the ball!

The symptoms that can trigger a test should be widened for school age children.

A room you have even suggested teachers should be eating their lunch in.

In their empty classroom - otherwise in their car or outside.

Sadly, in any event, 2m distancing makes little difference if in a room with lots of people all day.

Hopefully teachers are avoiding sitting in pubs and restaurants for 2/3 hours as well.

@Clavinova - as already pointed out, the children are eating in the classroom. The teacher may not own a car. As children don’t pass on covid according to you, would the solution be to have the children all mix together in one room for lunch, rather than maintaining the “bubbles” which the DfE claims help keep schools “safe”? Or does the courage of your convictions not spread quite that far?

@Clavinova

cantkeepawayforever So 18 year olds at university transmit between one another, but 18 year olds in school can ONLY get Covid from teachers?

Hopefully teachers are sitting more than 2 metres away from 18 year old pupils.

I'm 2m away from the ones in the second row. To be 2m away from the front row, I have to be next door.

Of course, since they're closed in half of the country

If children don’t spread covid, then just think: they could keep coming into school after their positive test, because they aren’t infecting anyone! Yay!

I'm 2m away from the ones in the second row. To be 2m away from the front row, I have to be next door.

Have you complained to your head? Do you have the option to wear a mask?

How can you complain about a fixed size room?

Good to see the unacceptable stalking has been deleted. Hopefully people will ignore the deliberate derailing by the same poster.

@Clavinova

Sadly, in any event, 2m distancing makes little difference if in a room with lots of people all day.

Hopefully teachers are avoiding sitting in pubs and restaurants for 2/3 hours as well.

I'm a TA in a SEN school. In a classroom for 6 hours a day where no social distancing is possible. I'm in a tier 2 area and are you saying it's unreasonable for me to visit a restaurant with my family? Well I have been to restaurants and I don't feel any guilt in doing do.

@Clavinova

I'm 2m away from the ones in the second row. To be 2m away from the front row, I have to be next door.

Have you complained to your head? Do you have the option to wear a mask?

A mask might help to protect the students, but won't protect the teacher.

A rota/reduced class size is the only thing that would help here. (In my school, all but 3 classrooms are used in some periods.)

I'd like to point out the futility of the 2 meter in a room which has the air capacity of XX cubic meters and no proper ventilation. The air is not circulated to the extent that at least 70% or air particles are changed in a reasonable time frame (5-10 mins, but guessing). Meaning that a lot of particles of dust, virus, whatever will linger in the air for more than 15m potentially.

So essentially you are breathing in whatever others -regardless of how far they are!- have been breathing out.

• don't forget that every so often, apart from 1 person, the people change in the room adding their own used air to the mix.

So this 2m is at best window dressing and useless, at worst dangerous misconception that can/will/has lead to infection.

@Clavinova

I'm 2m away from the ones in the second row. To be 2m away from the front row, I have to be next door.

Have you complained to your head? Do you have the option to wear a mask?

Complained that the room is too small? What ever would be the point of that? They're all the same size. Short of knocking a few walls down, there's nothing to be done. The DFE have made it abundantly clear that masks in classrooms are a disruption to learning. And me wearing a mask is like sticking your finger in the dyke when the rest of the people in the room don't.

I think teachers should cover themselves in cling film, superglue themselves to their whiteboards so as to observe social distancing, teach their subject(s) through interpretive dance, feed through a nasal tube while at school and only take three shallow breaths a minute. That should keep them reasonably safe.
I’m surprised these measures haven’t already been suggested by some more active posters.

On second thoughts the superglue might impede the interpretive dance, so it would have to be some combination of finger wiggling and eye rolls.

I've just contacted MNHQ for clarity about the 'three strikes and you're out' ie three deleted posts and you're suspended rule.

Asking for clarity as to whether it only applies to Feminist Chat.

If not, we should soon be hearing a bit less from the reality-deniers, goaders, liars and those intent on not engaging with the facts of the situation, minimising or mocking teachers' legitimate fears and ignoring the actual experience of those at the coal face.

I positively support schools staying open for the greater good despite it having no effect on me personally, and even though my life has been put on hold. I realise I’m in a fortunate position and so am prepared to take that hit. But I’m only prepared to take that stance if I feel that everything possible is being done to keep transmission low in schools and I know that is not the case. I could weep (and do almost daily) for people losing their jobs and businesses being shut down while the government can’t be bothered to do anything to make schools safer to reduce transmission levels in the community

@MrsFezziwig This is such an important point. When other posters on this thread insist that secondary schools being riddled with uncontained covid is a local issue or not of national interest and undeserving of national headlines, it is totally ignoring the knock-on effect to the rest of the community. The lockdown wasn't as effective as it could be. The government insistence that schools stay open till the 18th at the same time as allowing indoor household mixing from the 23rd is going to cause spread from school children to older year groups with potentially the need for further restrictions in January.

The government's inaction on this is everyone's loss.

Looking at the latest infection data we have upturns in primary school children, secondary school children, and a slight upturn in age group most likely to be parents of school-aged children.

Hopefully teachers are avoiding sitting in pubs and restaurants for 2/3 hours as well.

Well they’re certainly avoiding it in my area @Clavinova since we’ve either been in Tier 3 or lockdown for weeks. Meanwhile, the virus continues to be transmitted - I wonder how?