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Secondary schools are stuffed, GOVERNMENT ADMITS

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noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 17:42

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55265098

Mass testing for secondary school pupils in worst affected areas.

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OneForMeToo · 10/12/2020 20:43

So take away their right to education or their rights to consent wow.

noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 20:47

@OneForMeToo

So take away their right to education or their rights to consent wow.
Ah, you're one of those.

I think that there are spit tests that don't involve any sort of invasive procedure for those that cannot do the other tests.

Anyone who refuses to test on principle could be offered the remote learning that has been considered good enough for ECV families.

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tartiflette · 10/12/2020 20:49

I've just noticed the Guardian are asking teachers to get in touch about what this term has been like.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/dec/07/teachers-in-the-uk-coronavirus-what-has-this-term-been-like?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Please everyone do!

monkeytennis97 · 10/12/2020 20:49

I've written to my MP 3 times too... one party line response of 'schools are safe', 'best place for children is in school'.

Lies, lies, lies.

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2020 20:50

I think there are a few issues that need unpicking here.

1/ The government line that it doesn't spread in schools needs to go. It clearly is. There should be policy put in place to reflect that for staff and pupils who are clinically vulnerable or have household members who do.
2/ I know that there is a lot of outrage about how the north hasn't had this as an option but London is now getting it. This is slightly unfair criticism. The technology has only just been available and it has been being trialled in a number of schools - including some in the North West. I know that a local high school and primary have both had it in the last week. Where the problem might be is if thats not expanded to areas in the North which are currently experiencing a high number of cases and its only London and Kent that get it. Having said that, London and Kent do look like they are now the most problems so in theory they should be the priority. In that sense the North has been unlucky because they experienced the problem with schools before the means to deal with the problem was logistically a possibility.
3/ That then goes back to point 1, where it should have been recognised that there was a problem with schools and there wasn't a testing regime capable at the time to deal with the problem. There should have been a better policy in place to deal with it (in other words the bubble system needed to be much more strict and robust and the fact it wasn't probably caused part of the problem. And THATS where the controversy lies - not with the lack of mass testing nor the fact its only taken seriously when the issue gets to London.

I am also aware that there are schools that have been taking part not just in a covid test scheme but have also been tested for antibodies. So this may well yet reveal the extent of the problem there has been. At this point, when the result are known I think big questions about policy prior to half term in the North will start to look like the big disaster it has been....

hopefulhalf · 10/12/2020 20:51

If a child has no symptoms why should they not be in school because they don’t consent to a medical procedure... that’s a scary line to start crossing .A medical procedure ? Do me a favour it's a fucking throat swab not a laparoscopy.

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/12/2020 20:52

How did they do it at universities then? They were mass tested months ago.

In Germany a few cases in a school triggered testing the whole school, a friend there described, back in sept/ oct.

I was told this would be the plan with mobile testing units, by and neu rep, repeating what public health officials had told him.

Utter bullshit.

noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 20:52

Red It's not just it wasn't recognised that it wasn't a problem when it was the North (inc the bit of the North that is the Midlands), it's that it was actively lied about.

It's not just that London is getting testing, it's also that it is getting the truth from the government about what is actually happening.

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WhyNotMe40 · 10/12/2020 20:55

[quote mumsneedwine]@WhyNotMe40 my excitement today involved organising the closure of 1 year group and the sending home of 273 other students due to another 6 cases. I also taught on line and in class, dealt with a student whose mum is in icu and another who's Nan died last night. What did you do today ? Time to plan ? You are funny. [/quote]
@mumsneedwine I'm just a lowly subject teacher, and so avoid much of the "excitement". I am also very fortunate that we are in an area that has not been badly hit - only 4 staff members tested positive and we've only had about 15 confirmed student cases. Most since half term though - it's suddenly accelerating since they stopped sending year groups home.
Today I taught 2 lessons that were also online, 2 lessons where I just posted work up for those at home, and one lesson where I tried to plan next term's chemistry without doing any actual chemistry.
In every lesson today I had X codes pupils that I had taught while they were feeling ill. (Headaches and nausea for all).

mumsneedwine · 10/12/2020 20:57

@WhyNotMe40 apologies. I thought you were saying teachers are moaning and should just stick to planning. I read you wrong and I'm v sorry. I'm knackered. Shouldn't really be allowed near children !

itsgettingweird · 10/12/2020 20:58

[quote Chestnutacorns123]@noblegiraffe how do you know secondary schools are the main sourse of transmission. I read the graphs as 0-9 very low rates. 10-19, similar on the whole to other working age groups but at the higher end. This group is not solely made up of secondary children. Some 18 and 19 year olds are working, attending college, going to bars and restaurants. You cannot therefore assume, their covid has been caught at school.[/quote]
There's a link above that's showing it's in education. They e actually produced a whole document showing that yr 13 and 11 are highest. He 13 is 17-18yo. It also covers uni that includes 19yo.

Have a look at the link. You'll answer your own question!

noblegiraffe · 10/12/2020 20:58

mums I think you got Why and Susan who she was sarcastically responding to muddled as to posting intentions!

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RedToothBrush · 10/12/2020 20:59

@noblegiraffe

Red It's not just it wasn't recognised that it wasn't a problem when it was the North (inc the bit of the North that is the Midlands), it's that it was actively lied about.

It's not just that London is getting testing, it's also that it is getting the truth from the government about what is actually happening.

I agree.

I also think that shit will hit the fan on it. I do think there may be room for action to be taken when it becomes clear that the government were being negligent and were actively not listening to the evidence. They can't hide behind 'unprecidented unknown situation' forever.

middleager · 10/12/2020 21:00

Can we please not forget the West Midlands?

I keep reading about the North South divide, but our schools here are suffering mass cases and closures. We are clearly equally despised by this Government.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 10/12/2020 21:01

Headaches and nausea for all

Yet there’s still the test for three symptoms despite children who test positive having other symptoms.

There should be twice weekly tests for schools for children and staff if they insist on being open.

middleager · 10/12/2020 21:01

@noblegiraffe

Red It's not just it wasn't recognised that it wasn't a problem when it was the North (inc the bit of the North that is the Midlands), it's that it was actively lied about.

It's not just that London is getting testing, it's also that it is getting the truth from the government about what is actually happening.

This!
RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 10/12/2020 21:03

It hasn't been an 'unknown situation' for months. They were just paying attention to the wrong people.

I almost cried with relief earlier about how it's finally fucking well out there.

mumsneedwine · 10/12/2020 21:04

@noblegiraffe @WhyNotMe40 I feel horrible now. I am so tired I really should not be on here. Dreading tomorrow and how many more cases we will have. Next week going to be worse as then we are telling parents they have to isolate for Xmas.

WhyNotMe40 · 10/12/2020 21:04

[quote mumsneedwine]@WhyNotMe40 apologies. I thought you were saying teachers are moaning and should just stick to planning. I read you wrong and I'm v sorry. I'm knackered. Shouldn't really be allowed near children ![/quote]
Nah you're ok. Grin Sounds like you had a mare of a day today. Probably like all the others since September.
I wouldn't be SLT at the moment if you paid me quadruple.
FlowersCakeGin
I was (probably stupidly) responding to Susan's post.

mumsneedwine · 10/12/2020 21:05

@WhyNotMe40 I'm not even SLT ! But they are all off sick so I've been 'promoted'. No extra pay, just extra shit. Only still there for the kids.

Danglingmod · 10/12/2020 21:05

Same here re the nausea. We have between a fifth and a tenth of every single class off every week with "stomach ache and nausea." Lo and behold a few days later, their parents test positive.

It is kids getting it first and passing it to parents whilst kids themselves do not have the class three symptoms and so do not (as often) get tested.

Chestnutacorns123 · 10/12/2020 21:06

@noblegiraffe please post the dataset then.

@CallmeAngelina why the head thud. I am interpreting the graphs a previous poster linked in from the Ons. I have 2 degrees, all in science and I am more than capable of interpreting a few graphs. What are your credentials? Or do you just like to disagree without using facts?

WhyNotMe40 · 10/12/2020 21:07

[quote mumsneedwine]**@noblegiraffe* @WhyNotMe40* I feel horrible now. I am so tired I really should not be on here. Dreading tomorrow and how many more cases we will have. Next week going to be worse as then we are telling parents they have to isolate for Xmas. [/quote]
Please don't feel bad. I feel bad for inadvertently making you feel bad now, and we could end up in never ending circles! Grin

Chaotic45 · 10/12/2020 21:07

A medical procedure? Get a fucking grip! If an NT child won't take a swab to see if they are an asymptomatic carrier of a virus which could harm someone in their class or their teacher then you need to have a word with your child and / or yourself.

WhyNotMe40 · 10/12/2020 21:07

[quote mumsneedwine]@WhyNotMe40 I'm not even SLT ! But they are all off sick so I've been 'promoted'. No extra pay, just extra shit. Only still there for the kids.[/quote]
That is properly shit!

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