How many people are getting the vaccine each day?

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Basically, what the title says. I have not seen any data on roughly how many people are getting vaccinated a day at the moment and I’m surprised as I thought that a lot of people would be wanting to know the answer to this. I can’t imagine it is a massive number as they have just started but just wondered have I missed anything or does anyone know anywhere where they have the numbers?

I hope any vaxs are not stuck in the port containers. How would the NHS staff know whether a vax had been kept at optimum level anyway?

Funnily enough those of us who work in the pharma industry have already thought of this.

The specialist logistics companies have facilities at airports where they top up the containers with dry ice. All shipments contain a temperature logger so there is an electronic record of the temperature. If the temperature were to increase beyond the stated maximum there would be a risk assessment performed by an experienced scientist(s) who would review the stability data for the vaccine and make an assessment on if the vaccine will still be active, this would then be reviewed by the quality assurance team. These risk assessment alway err on the side of caution, e.g. you'd need positive evidence showing the product was still active when held at a higher temperature for longer than the outage to support keeping the material. The default position would be to dispose of the product, a 'guilty until proven innocent' viewpoint. The pharmaceutical industry is very very good at performing risk assessment.

@ProudAuntie76 sorry if that was in reply to me, I don’t think I was clear. I was trying to say that I expect the processes you’ve described are already in place, and as such, would be running in tandem with the exercise to get “general pop” who are available and up for the jab on a list to call as and when there is availability. You would hope that those running it use their discretion to give to those most needy of the jab first, but I would rather a non-vulnerable 50yo got vaccinated than it end up being wasted.

In your BIL’s case it may be down to good decision making that he has been given it - I believe studies in the summer showed that COVID was more prevalent with porters/cleaners etc. In hospitals who did not have as much access to high quality PPE in the early days as Drs for example on COVID wards. So you had a strange phenomena where those in “lower risk” areas were catching and spreading it, but those working with diagnosed COVID patients were wearing (eventually) adequate PPE goggles etc. And therefore their risk was lower despite being in direct contact with patients carrying it.

@Thatwentbadly

I suspect it’s a bit slower today as anyone vaccinated today will need to be revaccinated on the 31st December.

Not a problem as NYE's parties aren't going to be happening (officially, anyway) this year as the Christmas ease-up of restrictions and tiers will have finished.

Yes but 1st and 2nd are normally bank holidays in hospitals so this may have an impact.

True.

The aim is for 30 million (all the people in the initial phase groups) by June. Which would be over a million per week on average. Possibly a bit optimistic?

The adult population of UK is 52million, so that's just under 60%. It would be an amazing achievement, and would be transformational for the need for restrictions (especially if immunity is sterilising)

Vaccinations are to carry on as normal over bank holidays.

My sister is a nurse and she has been moved to the vaccination teams and is due to work on Christmas Day.

I doubt there will be much let up as long as patients are prepared to go and be vaccinated.

They said Easter rather than June on the 2nd December press conference but I would just write that off as one of Boris’ promises, personally.

[quote lurker101]@ProudAuntie76 sorry if that was in reply to me, I don’t think I was clear. I was trying to say that I expect the processes you’ve described are already in place, and as such, would be running in tandem with the exercise to get “general pop” who are available and up for the jab on a list to call as and when there is availability. You would hope that those running it use their discretion to give to those most needy of the jab first, but I would rather a non-vulnerable 50yo got vaccinated than it end up being wasted.

In your BIL’s case it may be down to good decision making that he has been given it - I believe studies in the summer showed that COVID was more prevalent with porters/cleaners etc. In hospitals who did not have as much access to high quality PPE in the early days as Drs for example on COVID wards. So you had a strange phenomena where those in “lower risk” areas were catching and spreading it, but those working with diagnosed COVID patients were wearing (eventually) adequate PPE goggles etc. And therefore their risk was lower despite being in direct contact with patients carrying it.[/quote]
Yes, I’d rather vaccines didn’t go to waste too. I’d just rather that the actual advice and protocol that’s been published for a while now was followed and that Care Homes and their were offered the vaccine first instead of it being a free for all.

I absolutely think it’s right that my BIL got vaccinated (although he’s low risk, wears full PPE and the hospital building he works in has been Covid free for a while) but I disagree that he should have been prioritised before hands on nursing and care staff and over 80s. Basically I completely disagree with this free for all it’s become, with groups not even in the first few of the priority list being vaccinated at all.

No vaccines should go to waste, but the protocol should be followed.

@ProudAuntie76 - It’s hardly a free for all, unless people are just walking in off the street and being jabbed because they ask.

If they have not yet got the process for transporting vaccine into homes nailed down, they simply can’t do it. Some residents could be transported to hubs, but if the ones in my husband’s home dementia/nursing) are anything to go by, that is very challenging and staff-intensive. They could also only take a few at a time. Makes more sense to wait a week or so - which is all they’re talking about - until they can transport/inject in care homes, and do all residents and staff in a single visit.

[quote PuzzledObserver]@ProudAuntie76 - It’s hardly a free for all, unless people are just walking in off the street and being jabbed because they ask.

If they have not yet got the process for transporting vaccine into homes nailed down, they simply can’t do it. Some residents could be transported to hubs, but if the ones in my husband’s home dementia/nursing) are anything to go by, that is very challenging and staff-intensive. They could also only take a few at a time. Makes more sense to wait a week or so - which is all they’re talking about - until they can transport/inject in care homes, and do all residents and staff in a single visit.[/quote]
I’m not expecting the residents to be vaccinated at the moment, I’ve repeatedly said that upthread as logistically it can’t work right now. But we were told as care/nursing home staff that we’d be vaccinated at our hospital hub this week and had to get all our paperwork ready - there is no reason at all why we couldn’t have been vaccinated yet or at least booked in. Meanwhile, people who are not on the first three of the priority list have already been vaccinated or booked in to be vaccinated. AND we are being pressured by the LA to admit visitors next week AND to accept Covid positive admissions from hospital.

Not a single member of care home or nursing home staff has been vaccinated in my LA this week, despite the target set be the LA to be 90% by Monday.

My 82-year-old parent in SW London is being 'done' on Thursday.

Maybe the answer is zero because they don't consider someone to be vaccinated until after their second dose? A counter on the NHS or government website would be amazing for this!