Thread to ask stupid questions about the vaccine

[FiftyWaysToWinInDenver]

I know several high-risk people who are very concerned about the vaccine so can I ask anyone to point me in the direction of reliable sources about how safe it is etc. I just want to give proper info, not necessarily force them to change their mind btw.

They ask things like how is it safe when it’s taken far less time than usual? Also can someone explain the chimpanzee aspect as I’ve read that’s a normal thing for vaccines but I’m not a scientist so I can’t explain it well!

If you have your own stupid question feel free to ask!

DD wants to know if it is still at -70 degrees when they inject it or if it gets warmed uo just before

@gillianan

because there is no reason to assume there would be any effects.. the way the vaccine works has no reason to impact it. its like there could be a note saying there's no evidence it won't make you grow an extra leg

Not really the same because there's no paragraph on the document to say affects on extra limb growth are unknown. So that's not really a good analogy.

@pourmeanotherglass

DD wants to know if it is still at -70 degrees when they inject it or if it gets warmed uo just before

Fucking hell.

The info about that is everywhere. Clearly common sense about whether the human body can accept something at -70oC is not.

It’s room temp at point of delivery. That’s why it has such a short expiry.

ok i think you're being willfully ignorent now ..

@MrsGradyOldLady no I didnt read the link you posted because it was a screenshot.
That being said I did find the orginal article from August of this year which debunks the claims of infertility citing a 1989 study.

Per the article from Reuters - uk.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-causing-infer/fact-check-a-coronavirus-vaccine-that-makes-everyone-infertile-has-not-been-approved-for-use-idUSKBN25H20G

"The claims about infertility chemicals are highly misleading, and appear to have been taken from decades-old studies on completely unrelated topics. In fact, Phoenix appears to directly quote a study published in 1989 about specific anti-fertility vaccines in New Delhi, India. The study was looking into the potential use of the vaccine in treating some cancer patients."

Speaking to Reuters, Dr Jason Kindrachuk
added: “There is no logic to the use of anti-hCG or -GnRH vaccine formulations to reduce COVID-19 transmission and there has been no identification of hormone-related health issues reported from the ongoing COVID vaccine clinical trials.”

VERDICT
False. There is no COVID-19 vaccine that has been approved for widespread use. The discussion about an adverse impact on fertility appears to refer directly to a 1989 study into anti-fertility vaccines that is totally unrelated to COVID-19 trials.

So. I think its pretty clear cut. The vaccine does NOT cause infertility.

Is it true that the manufacturers will not be accepting any liability in the event of serious side effects?

@QueenBlueberries

Yes you’ve the fucking Pulitzer with your investigative journalism as demonstrated very well here.

And you do think, you are definitely not regurgitating idiotic statements that you read on Facebook.

I'm asking questions! About one bloody paragraph! You seem very keen to close me down whilst NOT answering a very simple question.

I absolutely do not doubt there will be some clever mumsnetter with a science background who will be able to answer that question. It sure as shit isn't you though @queenblueberries

The vaccine doses need to be stored at very low temperature for transport and storage, but are defrosted in controlled temperature and can stay at about between 2 and 8 degrees for a few days. That's one of the reasons why the logistics of transport between storage/hospitals/elderly people's homes is complex and needs to be monitored very closely.

Honestly, ive never met or spoken to as many anti vaxxers as I have about COVID.

Its messed up.

Trust doctors and science. Not loonies from facebook and youtube.

perfectly reasonable question as it was on a GOVERNMENT website.

It is not helpful calling people out on asking questions on a thread about asking questions.

I suppose with a lot of things it is about weighing up risks. You can never know if you will be the unlucky one in whatever number that gets x side effect of a vaccine/medicine or the unlucky one in another number that gets serious side effects from covid.

It depends onyour age, your existing health conditions and other circumstances.

Can I just say this is the stupid questions thread! The whole point is we ask a stupid question and people who understand this stuff explain it.

[quote Doublebubblebubble]@MrsGradyOldLady no I didnt read the link you posted because it was a screenshot.
That being said I did find the orginal article from August of this year which debunks the claims of infertility citing a 1989 study.

Per the article from Reuters - uk.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-causing-infer/fact-check-a-coronavirus-vaccine-that-makes-everyone-infertile-has-not-been-approved-for-use-idUSKBN25H20G

"The claims about infertility chemicals are highly misleading, and appear to have been taken from decades-old studies on completely unrelated topics. In fact, Phoenix appears to directly quote a study published in 1989 about specific anti-fertility vaccines in New Delhi, India. The study was looking into the potential use of the vaccine in treating some cancer patients."

Speaking to Reuters, Dr Jason Kindrachuk
added: “There is no logic to the use of anti-hCG or -GnRH vaccine formulations to reduce COVID-19 transmission and there has been no identification of hormone-related health issues reported from the ongoing COVID vaccine clinical trials.”

VERDICT
False. There is no COVID-19 vaccine that has been approved for widespread use. The discussion about an adverse impact on fertility appears to refer directly to a 1989 study into anti-fertility vaccines that is totally unrelated to COVID-19 trials.

So. I think its pretty clear cut. The vaccine does NOT cause infertility.[/quote]
It's not clear cut though is it? You're comparing apples and pears. Again.

My question was specific to the government document para 4.6 stating affects on fertility unknown. I'm not asking if Bill Gates has spiked the vaccine with an infertility drug. I'm quite happy to accept your evidence to disprove THAT question. The one I didn't ask.

X-post BlackEyedSusan.

Odd that on a thread that asks you to ask stupid questions that anyone that asks is called a fucking idiot

Here's a good fact check on Reuters for you.

It explains where this myth about impact on fertility comes from.

There are no little bits of Bill Gates in the vaccine either.

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-causing-infer/fact-check-a-coronavirus-vaccine-that-makes-everyone-infertile-has-not-been-approved-for-use-idUSKBN25H20G

By what mechanism could it effect fertility?

No, I don’t know either. I imagine that effects on fertility are a standard thing which has to be addressed in the licensing of every new medication. The statement that the effects on fertility are not known does not mean they have any concerns on that front.

@FiftyWaysToWinInDenver

Can I just say this is the stupid questions thread! The whole point is we ask a stupid question and people who understand this stuff explain it.

Honestly that's why I posted on this thread!

I KNOW I know Jack shit about biology. And I was really happy to be educated. But instead I get accused of being a conspiracy theorist, an anti vaxxer, a scaremongering and thick!

I'm a middle aged Chartered Accountant who like many people is scared for her children. Thought a thread for stupid questions on a parenting website might be a good place to ask these questions. Clearly they are far too fucking stupid 🤣🤣

@confuseddotcom090

But there's not NO reason to think it won't impact fertility. I mean there is no evidence to suggest it does (and how could it? It's way too soon to tell). But there are theoretical reasons as to why it might and why they cannot rule it out and say this.

The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. A vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.

Therefore infection by Covid itself which produces an immune response to the spike protein would have the same effect?

@Doublebubblebubble

Honestly, ive never met or spoken to as many anti vaxxers as I have about COVID.

Its messed up.

Trust doctors and science. Not loonies from facebook and youtube.

No no no. We need anti vaxxers! The vaccine is in short supply. The whole world wants it and there won't be enough to go around for quite some time. At least anti vaxxers are choosing to turn it down - as opposed to the government deciding who doesn't get it (and rest assured they'll make sure they're getting it for themselves).

Follow this man on Facebook

He is a well respected consultant in Scotland who has posted throughout the whole covid pandemic with factual information and backs everything up with links to data and research etc

He has been a shining light for many through the last 8 months

www.facebook.com/648458407/posts/10159152469983408/?d=n

All I know is that something with a 99.9% recovery rate doesnt really need a vaccine...why not focus on other illnesses etc..??...I find the rush to vaccinate against covid very odd !..None of my neighbours and very few friends said they will have it....wait and see....

@QueenBlueberries

Here's a good fact check on Reuters for you.

It explains where this myth about impact on fertility comes from.

There are no little bits of Bill Gates in the vaccine either.

Hope to God your job doesn't involve reading written communication. I specifically stated I was NOT blaming Bill Gates for spiking ths vaccine. That's NOT. As in the statement "I DO NOT THINK BILL GATES IS STERILISING THE MASSES"

Hope that clears up that misunderstanding.

My stupid question(s):

Why didn't Pfizer reguarly test its trial participants for COVID, only relying on symptomatic cases prompting testing? Would it have been logistically too difficult?

How can we be so confident in a vaccine that doesn't guarantee immunity nor prevention of transmission? (I know that no vaccine can guarantee immunity, but from what I've read, the trials didn't even look at viral load). All we seem to know for certain (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that it reduces symptomatic cases. Is there not a danger of people being vaccinated and going about their business, potentially getting covid and spreading it asymptomatically?