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People who’ve had Covid - will they be vaccinated too?

37 replies

GymFagsandPinkGinLover · 02/12/2020 18:07

Anyone know?

It wouldn’t be necessary if they already have antibodies would it?

My whole family have had it and I’d rather they didn’t have the vaccine if it won’t be of any benefit them.

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SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 02/12/2020 18:09

Yes they will as it hadnt been proven that they build up natural immunity for any decent length of time.

SexTrainGlue · 02/12/2020 18:09

Yes they will be offered it.

Demand will be high, so if you choose to decline and wait there will be plenty of people who will be glad to move up the queue

PleasantVille · 02/12/2020 18:10

The vaccine is for everyone but you know it's not compulsory don't you. I'd imagine that if you dont want it you don't make an appointment to get it just as any other vaccinne

LethargicLumpOfLockdownLard · 02/12/2020 18:11

Yes they will. Its on the guidelines I read earlier today.

gamerchick · 02/12/2020 18:12

There is no evidence that immunity lasts for long. How long would you want to wait assuming you'll have to wait until the second round.

cologne4711 · 02/12/2020 18:14

I had had rubella twice and still received the vaccine when I was 12 - it's normal to vaccinate regardless of whether you've had it or not. Shingles too - elderly people are vaccinated now but because you have to fall within a certain age category to get it (or you did) you may well have it before you get the vacination but at least you won't have it again.

starfro · 02/12/2020 18:16

@SissySpacekAteMyHamster

Yes they will as it hadnt been proven that they build up natural immunity for any decent length of time.
It's also not proven that the vaccine leads to long immunity either. We've got data going back further for natural immunity rather than vaccine.

I suspect both methods will lead to many years of immune response however.

ps Immunity isn't just antibodies

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GymFagsandPinkGinLover · 02/12/2020 18:25

Yes thank you, I know it’s not compulsory but it looks like there will be restrictions on what you can do if you don’t have it (immunity passports).

I thought there was evidence that antibodies last as the reinfection rate was so low. I’m pretty sure I had it in Feb. The rest of my household (5 people) all tested positive last month but I didn’t catch it again and I was definitely repeatedly exposed!

Would rather not have the vaccine until it’s been around for a bit but one of my DC is on the ECV list so it won’t be long until he’s offered it I suppose.

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GymFagsandPinkGinLover · 02/12/2020 18:28

Yes starfro I understood the vaccine would be an annual one like the flu jab. In which case I’d rather wait until next winter to have it but they’re not going to give ‘immunity passports’ to people who’ve tested positive already are they?

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EllenRipley · 02/12/2020 18:33

What @starfro said.

Immunity is way more complex than just a measure of antibodies. And for the vast majority of people, their immune systems get rid of this virus.

The vaccine's long term efficacy is unknown (and its general efficacy is also in question www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037?fbclid=IwAR0OSygTeIdYKV3wZFBesb4Z9jQcmpSsga9MAU7YRbvEBzn4tlTNlmOV9mk ).

If you've had covid, I wouldn't be rushing to get the vaccine, unless you're in a vulnerable group.

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GymFagsandPinkGinLover · 04/12/2020 21:51

Well let’s hope this does happen then for people who’ve tested positive to Covid already:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9019009/People-immunity-certificates-coronavirus-vaccine-SAGE-says.html

Over 1.6 million people in the U.K. have already tested positive and T&T already have their details so that’ll save time in getting vaccinations to those who need them.

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trulydelicious · 05/12/2020 08:18

@GymFagsandPinkGinLover

Agree. Let's hope common sense prevails and they don't insist on vaccinating people who may already be immune by means of having caught the infection

Le't also hope the same zeal and funding is placed on studying natural immunity as will be placed on studying immunity gained through vaccination.

The latter will be done by the vaccine producers. Who will be focusing on the former?

Sertchgi123 · 05/12/2020 08:40

Yes. Jonathan Van Tam explained that they don’t know how immune you are, if you’ve had it, so you will be vaccinated to give you more immunity.

trulydelicious · 05/12/2020 08:41

@Sertchgi123

Yes. Jonathan Van Tam explained that they don’t know how immune you are, if you’ve had it

Can't they find out?

Keepdistance · 05/12/2020 12:07

I agree with Ellen and wouldnt be prioritising the million who have already had it. (Unless long covid or been in hospital etc).

ThornAmongstRoses · 05/12/2020 12:19

How long does immunity last for with the vaccine?

alpinia · 05/12/2020 12:21

On the BBC yesterday morning they had some experts on explaining this. The quick version that the vaccine should be even more efficient in people who had Covid and have antibodies and they recommend having it. You can always watch this online for more information.

scaevola · 05/12/2020 12:29

[quote trulydelicious]@Sertchgi123

Yes. Jonathan Van Tam explained that they don’t know how immune you are, if you’ve had it

Can't they find out?[/quote]
That's the aim of the SIREN study, which may well report later this month

ppeatfruit · 05/12/2020 13:30

This a question that I want answered. I'm fairly certain I had Cov mildly in March, (i had all the symptoms except contagion and the dry cough). Also ALL my (elderly) family were with me , no one got it.

I had a swab which said negative 2 months ago also a blood\serum test. the result was 'negative 0.06' We haven't found out what that means. Is it antibodies?

It seems to me that confusion is all encompassing. There are no certainties.

Aragog · 05/12/2020 13:39

I had Covid earlier in October, ended up with a hospital stay and was off work for seven weeks and I'm still struggling. No one can tell me if I'm lonely to be immune so I'd like it as soon as I'm allowed!

ppeatfruit · 05/12/2020 13:51

I DID hear on R4 that it is UNCOMMON to have NO antibodies to it! Interestingly the fact that SOME people can get it twice is the most publicised fact about antibodies.

What a gift to Pfizer? They must be laughing all the way to the bank.

Oh many years ago both DDs had rubella naturally and were tested to prove it. So did not need the injection. The medic said that rubella itself is the most effective way to stay immune.

The Covid jab chosen by our illustrious govt. doesn't last very long and is only 75% effective. The other ones are better.

Burnthurst187 · 05/12/2020 13:53

Ppl have caught it twice so yes

bumbleymummy · 05/12/2020 14:31

There are very few cases of people catching it twice. A recent Oxford study into immunity in NHS staff showed that it lasted 6+ months. At the moment we know more about how long immunity from natural infection lasts compared to vaccine immunity.

Aragog · 05/12/2020 16:23

The Covid jab chosen by our illustrious govt. doesn't last very long and is only 75% effective. The other ones are better.

We are having more than one type.
The one being rolled out from next week has 95% efficiency.

confusedpombear · 05/12/2020 16:24

I work in the NHS, frontline. 2 in my department of 20 have had covid twice since June. Having it once does not mean you do not need the vaccine. It's more common than you think