MHRA approves Pfizer jab for use in UK

[AuntieStella]

News just breaking on BBC

It's great news, roll on Oxford Astrazeneca approval this week so even more people can be protected.

I know a few healthcare workers who've all worked with covid patients and they all say they want it to protect themselves and their families through winter. Perhaps some staff who haven't been working on covid wards don't have the same understanding of the risks to their colleagues and also the real difficulties of working in masks that are so tight they lead to sores on their face, multiple pairs of gloves, constantly pulling clothing on and off in whatever confined space is available etc. If a few staff don't want their dose, then hopefully the hospitals can give their doses to anyone suitable who's in hospital at the time and wants it rather than wasting them.

I wonder how long it will be with more antibody testing and backup virus testing until they can have the confidence to reduce PPE needs for vaccinated staff. It'll be an interesting plan in itself.

@Mybedislisting

I don’t get how you can work for the NHS and not believe in the science of the jab

Lots of us have already had covid. No one seems to be offering very reassuring evidence around whether it is a good idea to get the vaccine/when would be best to get it. There are many reasons why people might be hesitant, that doesn't mean they don't believe in the 'science'.

I really hope it is the case that you need to show you’ve had the vaccine to participate in certain things (other than for the medically exempt of course).

Selfish people “everyone else can take the risk to protect me but I am far too special”. Sod off with that. You should miss out.

Tbh I feel that way about most other vaccines too. You’re crazy enough not to vaccinate your children, that’s fine. You should also have to home educate them.

@FourTeaFallOut

No, it's not possible, it takes a gazillion years to build a vaccine, we need to learn to LIVE with it, it definitely won't be effective - there's never been a coronavirus vaccine, you're all idiots, it will never get approved.

Sorry, just having a flashback.

“People need to accept that it won’t be a silver bullet, it’ll be 60% effective if we’re lucky...”

Just to mention that uptake of flu in my hospital department is 55%. Will be interesting to see what the Corona vaccin uptake will be

Well, yeah. What I'm saying is that there's no reason to see it as an affront that the fearful want others to "take all the risk for them

Hmm, I don’t entirely agree. If those unwilling to take the vaccine believe that’s a legitimate position, they could hardly hold others to different standards. If everyone thought as they do, we’re in lockdown forever.

Plenty of people willing to take the vaccine know there are risks involved, but are prepared to take them for the greater good. That is, to my mind, a more moral position than the wait and see brigade.

SuperAlly - you do know some people just think differently to you and that is allowed in a democracy ?

@TheKeatingFive

I imagine there’ll be a reasonable amount of peer pressure in the nhs for workers to get it.

That's wrong then. There should never be coersion or 'peer pressure' into having any medical treatment

Fourtea, TBF, the threads I recall were those by posters with irrational certainty there would be an effective vaccine ..... and by September. I did post to say as there had not been a vaccine for human corona virus (I'd not realised there were animal corona virus vaccines, not being a vet but I think my judgement still held true) then there was no certainty even though massive resources would be devoted to it far in excess of any other virus, [resources possibly in excess of the aggregate spend on HIV vaccine research over the last 30-odd years - would need to check]. There could have been something fundamental biologically about this corona virus that made a vaccine not viable.

That's wrong then. There should never be coersion or 'peer pressure' into having any medical treatment

It's not a treatment. It is prophylaxis. Totally disagree that there should never be peer pressure to prevent disease. Some of DD's friends are really glad for example that there was peer pressure for the HPV vaccine as some wouldn't have had it otherwise. They are glad now that they did.

"People need to accept that it won’t be a silver bullet, it’ll be 60% effective if we’re lucky..."

To be fair, various statements in the last few weeks have given ranges from 62% - 95%

There's a chance you could have it and it won't 'take'

I wonder if there will be any post-vaccination testing of the most vulnerable (and I mean the CEV here, especially those with blood and immune conditions) to ascertain if they have formed any response. Because if they haven't, then they need to know they are still at risk, so they can make choices about how they live going forward

If your vaccinated, how long does it last ?

Whoop whoop

Let's get those shirt sleeves rolled up.

What's not to like!

The people who took the most risk were on the trials. After that it drops. Talking of risk makes it sound a big part if it. When the risk of economic crash is pretty much around the corner.

How long do people want to wait it will you never get it? Would you sacrifice holidays abroad if they say you have to have it?

I do t kind if people stay in or whatever for the next year though. As long as they don’t try to spread anti vacc stuff as they go.

I don’t mind if...

No, it has been rushed and there isn't the long term safety data you would normally see. It's a risky vaccine because of it. It doesn't mean we shouldn't take that risk but to say you can compress the process without risk is just wrong. You can't speed up time. You can't know what long term effect there will be.

@LemonTT

It’s best to just ignore the claims on behalf of NHS about this. It’s a strategy on the part of people with an agenda.

What is your agenda? Why do you attack people who do not share your view and decree that they have an agenda? It's getting silly now

@Fallsballs

Goldenombre - I haven’t researched this but I’d be fairly sure there a Tory financial interest somewhere.

I thought this was a thread for proper discussion of the vaccine, I know you can post wherever you like but why bother to put this here, it's mindless nonsense

I know quite a few people working in the NHS - some had doubts initially but it helped when they heard comments like this

"Once people start understanding how it was so accelerated (no years of begging for funding, every bit of red tape smoothed over, access to labs instantly offered, top of the list for ethics boards, (not waiting for the next quarterly meeting) volunteer recruitment organised in days not months etc. And see others taking it (apart from the odd one that has a reaction) they will be more assured. In almost all vaccines any issues advise very quickly and adverse effects rarely develop months later so by most fears by reasonable people will be alleviated."

I know of a couple of NHS staff who are still debating whether to take the vaccine. One is pregnant and it hasnt been tested on the pregnant, They will definitely be vaccinated after delivery, just not sure about now and the other also has a medical reason for needing to consider it more carefully than most people.

The only other concern if whether NHS staff who have had covid should take the vaccine now when it could be given to those more at risk. So if you hear that not all NHS staff are being vaccinated please consider that some have good reasons for not being at the front of the queue.

I'm sure I heard the chap speaking at the MHRA press conference say it will be for all vulnerable people age 16 and over (not 18). Did I hear right?

@AuntieStella

I'm sure I heard the chap speaking at the MHRA press conference say it will be for all vulnerable people age 16 and over (not 18). Did I hear right?

Yes ,one of the categories was vunerable age 16-64 after the over 65s

This could be the next step on the evolution ladder for mankind , if we all grow a couple more legs we’ll be able to run as fast as a cheetah, so no more need for cars and an end to climate change ...........weeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆

@satnighttakeaway you are correct, it’s a chat site and I can post what I want. Complain to Mn for my “mindless nonsense” in you opinion and pop off your high horse whilst your at it.

here is the list

The JCVI's priority list is as follows:

1 - Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
2 - All those 80 years of age and over. Frontline health and social care workers
3 - All those 75 years of age and over
4 - All those 70 years of age and over. Clinically extremely vulnerable individuals
5 - All those 65 years of age and over
6 - All individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
7 - All those 60 years of age and over
8 - All those 55 years of age and over
9 - All those 50 years of age and over

I will be in no.6 as I expected