Christmas households: just to confirm..

[Lelophants]

If we see my parents on Christmas day and DH parents boxing day, that means we are three households. So my parents can't then visit their elderly parents or my brother. And my in laws can't visit their other children. 🙈

But if we're all tier 2 we could meet in the garden anyway?

Correct.

👍 I can see the whole country trying to work out all the logistics!

Oh but I don't know about the tiers.

I think we're just going to stay at home and eat quality street.

Sounds very smart @beela

Think there will be a lot of broken hearts here. Ah dear!

broken heart?? why? thats a bit OTT

God knows! I don’t think I’ve got the headspace or energy to think about how all of this actually works in reality. There’s been too many changes of rules and over complication of rules. My brain has given up now.

I think for those 5 days there won't be tiers. That would be too confusing as I presume the reason for a change of rules for those 5 days is because a lot of people will travel across tiers to see family.

I really can't be arsed to work out the logistics of whose parents we can see. We'll just spend it at home, as we'd planned.

@beela
I think you should start providing the official advice, at least it's clear and simple.

Although I am some will question what if you don't like Quality Street and can we eat Celebrations or Caburys Heroes instead?

@Lelophants

👍 I can see the whole country trying to work out all the logistics!

The problem is that they won’t because it will become too complicated so will just do their own thing. For some that will mean staying at home and for others it’ll be seeing three households at a time, even if that’s multiple households a day. The government is going to have to get the messaging really crystal clear on this one.

I think the idea is supposed to be you form an exclusive Christmas bubble with up to three households so neither they or you can see anyone else.

Included in a separate household is anyones DC who are away at University or if uncle Tom lives on his own or Mary down the road who normally comes in for Christmas dinner each count as one household too.

We are just staying on our own as it would get too complicated seeing one lot of parents and them not seeing anyone else also niece is home from Uni and she will definitely be wildly socialising and visiting my mum.

It's going to fuel many threads on MN about which households are bubbling with which.

So much potential for in-law, step-family, sibling strife!

Sky news refers to a three household bubble - which I interpreted as GooseberryTart has ie fixed 3 household, the bubble wouldn't be extended.so if we see my in-laws and my Dad then my In-laws are in my bubble and have used up their allowance.

Would be very happy if that is wrong!

@Lelophants

If we see my parents on Christmas day and DH parents boxing day, that means we are three households. So my parents can't then visit their elderly parents or my brother. And my in laws can't visit their other children. 🙈

Jesus Christ above, don't do it, just don't. The virus doesn't know it's Christmas. Wait until we have a vaccine, then celebrate with your loved ones.

If I have three students coming home I have to move out? Did I get that right? But I'm extremely clinically vulnerable so I need to hide in the garage anyway. Oh and I might be having an op around then but no date because it depends on covid numbers.

@Lelophants

👍 I can see the whole country trying to work out all the logistics!

No, many of us have got more fucking sense than to infect our loved ones with Coronavirus.

If students are back by 9th does that mean by 23rd they are then integrated into our household or are they still counting as separate household by then? Sorry if that’s a silly question, I have remnants of a migraine .

Just do what you want, no ones going to know? Police are only bothered about large party’s. I don’t think it will make that much of a difference unless any of you are high risk.

Not even going to work it out,staying home. My head is spinning with it all 😁

Three households can gather to celebrate Christmas, but one Christmas Day, another Boxing Day and a third on the 27th is not permitted, unless the individuals are the same all three days. We're going to take a picnic to the beach instead.

Jesus you all really stick to the rules 100% don’t you.

And, given that there is 200 miles between each branch of my family, no way am I driving back and forth across the UK, even though we're in a low-incidence area and have been a closed group for six weeks. The logistics.......... yikes!

@Lelophants

If we see my parents on Christmas day and DH parents boxing day, that means we are three households. So my parents can't then visit their elderly parents or my brother. And my in laws can't visit their other children. 🙈

I’m confused, if you see in laws Boxing Day after you see parents doesn’t that mean that your parents still have a household to spare??

So the original plan we had made for "rule of 6" in teir 1 was PIL would go to BIL & SIL for Christmas day (they have 2 dcs so that's 6), then come to us boxing day (we are a 4, so another 6). While PIL were with us boxing day, BIL & SIL would go to her parents. Her parents would be with one of her brothers for Christmas day and would see the other brother at New year.

We'd see my brother &his partner on 27th or 28th. Dh and BIL would go for a bike ride/coffee some point over the week and we'd accepted we couldn't get together with the cousins this year. My parents live overseas and had cancelled coming back this year, so takes that complication out.

All fine under rule of 6, but the new rules mean you can see one side of the family only. And everyone has to stick to it.

PIL can see both of their adult sons, DILs and grandchildren, but at the cost that the DILs families can't see the grandchildren over the other days of Christmas.

Has this been aimed at people who all go away for Christmas as a group or single adults living away who want to go to their childhood home for Christmas at the same time as their sibling?

Does noone have in laws in the cabinet?