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Christmas mixing and Tiers

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meow1989 · 24/11/2020 17:41

I know we are all just guessing at the moment, but ..

I get that its likely we are allowed to mix 3 households total over the 5 days, but doesn't that become moot if your area is tier 1? Because in tier 1 you can mix up to 6 households technically (one from each). Do you think they will have the forethought to clarify this ir will it be more interpreting the rules as you go? (Fwiw I will follow whatever the guidance is, I'm not looking for loophole just curious as to how this would work)

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nolovelost · 25/11/2020 17:58

I would rather the lockdown carried on. This is a disaster waiting to happen, I'm just waiting for the 3rd wave now...

jessstan1 · 25/11/2020 18:00

@RedskyAtnight

Slightly annoyed with my SIL. She has unilaterally decided that her bubble is her family, her parents and my parents and summarily invited them over on Christmas Day and respectively Boxing Day. Thereby meaning that she and DB are de facto the preferred children as neither her parents or my parents will therefore be able to see any of their other children. I don't actually mind that she's doing this from a personal point of view (we'd decided it was far too risky to meet my parents or in-laws with the DC being at a large secondary with high number of cases) but do think she should have discussed it with others first, rather than making it a fait accompli.

You still have Boxing Day if you want to risk it but you say you don't mind anyway.

Theflying19 · 25/11/2020 18:03

Imagine an extended bubble of three households. That's your lot. You can't form a different bubble the next day. They can't go and meet with someone else. That's it.
It's really quite simple!

Were going to stay at home and zoom my parents. We've got kids at school, as have my siblings. It just seems too much of a risk for the older generation.

queenbee72 · 25/11/2020 18:05

@Cupcakegirl13

I think what they’re trying to do is damage limitation , I think a large number of people would not observe a Christmas lock down whether it was law or not , so by setting some parameters it might help limit spread . No one is saying covid takes Christmas off

THIS!!

And honestly, these rules are not complicated. This thread has depressed me beyond words.

And anyone’s family giving you a hard time for a difficult decision, bin the lot of them and stay at home.

My in laws have been fine that we won’t visit them. In fact they think it’s very sensible.

Elle2018 · 25/11/2020 18:06

I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but support bubbles count as one household so a support bubble can mix with two other households

FelicisNox · 25/11/2020 18:26

As long as we remain in tier 1 or at a push tier 2 I'm happy.

RaspberryCola · 25/11/2020 18:37

I think a lot of tier 1 areas are going to find themselves in tier 2 in the run up to Christmas.
They’ve announced these Christmas bubbles to lessen the blow of much tighter restrictions for the majority.

joles12 · 25/11/2020 18:43

@jessstan71

The 3 household bubble is for the full Christmas window , you can’t swap and change so once three households have met together they cannot meet anyone else over Christmas

sima74 · 25/11/2020 18:46

Personally I think it was discriminatory of the government to not bother acknowledging other festivals celebrated in the country( no exceptions were made and it wasn’t even winter for one of them) and allow exceptions for those but come Christmas its 5 days of free for all??? Yes they can just f* off with the rules now as far as I’m concerned. It is blatantly obvious they are bigoted and I have zero respect for our leaders now.

mumwalk · 25/11/2020 18:47

Do people really not get it, or are they choosing not to? Maximum of 3 households form a fixed bubble over the 5 days. No switching bubbles. No seeing anyone else unless outdoors.

It's not hard to understand.

Karcheer · 25/11/2020 18:50

@mumwalk

Do people really not get it, or are they choosing not to? Maximum of 3 households form a fixed bubble over the 5 days. No switching bubbles. No seeing anyone else unless outdoors.

It's not hard to understand.

It's not hard to understand but it is hard to pick some family members over others.

RedskyAtnight · 25/11/2020 18:50

@jesstan71
I can't have Boxing Day. My parents will be in a 3 household bubble already courtesy of SIL's unilateral decisions. They can't meet anyone else.

Frazzled2207 · 25/11/2020 18:51

My mil is Adamant that all three of her sons are coming to hers for xmas regardless of the rules (she is easily the most at risk but her decision I guess. She is bubbled with one of them so 3 households). But if we go that means we can’t see my own family. I suspect I will just go see them anyway - it’s just mum and dad. But husband and I have to decide whether to piss off one family or break the rules. We’re in GM and not been allowed in houses for months. I think reasonable for people to make their own risk assessments and hopefully not take the piss.

Ranorman45 · 25/11/2020 20:19

So family B can see bubble A on Christmas day and bubble C on Boxing day providing A and C don't see anyone else?

CheltenhamLady · 25/11/2020 20:28

I don't think this will work in reality. My MIL is adamant that she wants to come to us. We have adult children who are single-person households and they all want to come to us! How can we refuse any of them? Two of the adult children have already had Covid very recently and the third works from home and hasn't seen anyone else for weeks. MIL wants to see them all.

Sunbeam18 · 25/11/2020 20:36

You do realise that just because you are 'allowed' to do this doesn't mean that you have to? It's not worth the risk to elderly family members!

RedskyAtnight · 25/11/2020 20:37

Cheltenham Are none of your children in single person households in support bubbles with you or any of each other? A support bubble counts as a household so will reduce the number. Otherwise you have to say "no" to (presumably) MIL or see no one. Which is the decision that most families are going to have to make.

Riv · 25/11/2020 20:57

I don’t have the worry of mixing with parents as all four of ours are no longer with us. It’s going to be just me and DP this year.
We’d love to see our two adult, single “children” who live (separately) at the other end of the country we last saw Christmas 2019, but it’s not to be. They care to much to risk the possibility of spreading the virus. It’s going to hurt emotionally, but it is what it is. ... hopefully I will see them sometime next year.

Carolbetty · 25/11/2020 21:07

Jayz people!! If it's that difficult, don't meet anyone. It's not a requirement but an option. Safer for all that way anyhow.
And it's 3 households as a 5 day bubble. Even if you dont see each other every day. Its not any 3 households any day.

Luddite26 · 25/11/2020 21:13

Personally i think this is all about spending to boost the economy. How much more money are we going to spend now we can make plans?
I don't know why New Year or Hogmany hasn't been mentioned!
So atm i can provide childcare for my 4 gcs but for 5 days over xmas i have to choose one set to see and leave the others out but when parents go back to work i can see to them all again! It all makes perfect sense.

Xenia · 25/11/2020 21:29

So is this correct?
My adult son lives alone and currently and all year has had no support bubble.
He is allowed toform a support bubble with one other household. he could do that for Christmas day. Thjus he and the twins with whom I live including the one who is returning from university are counted as one for the Christmas lunch. My single living alone daughter can join us - she counts as number 2 (and, not relevant, is in a support bubble with her boyfriend who also lives alone and who is not coming for Christmas lunch) and my other daughter and her family who all live with her are household 3 and they can meet up.

Thus - I and the 5 adult children are within the 3 households for Christmas lunch? I think that is lawful and works and is three households not four.

Karcheer · 25/11/2020 21:35

I’m also thinking after the five days if tiers allow. I could just go out to lunch with my parents and B/sil as we will be six. It’s all bonkers!

SephrinaX · 25/11/2020 21:39

@Xenia

So is this correct? My adult son lives alone and currently and all year has had no support bubble. He is allowed toform a support bubble with one other household. he could do that for Christmas day. Thjus he and the twins with whom I live including the one who is returning from university are counted as one for the Christmas lunch. My single living alone daughter can join us - she counts as number 2 (and, not relevant, is in a support bubble with her boyfriend who also lives alone and who is not coming for Christmas lunch) and my other daughter and her family who all live with her are household 3 and they can meet up.

Thus - I and the 5 adult children are within the 3 households for Christmas lunch? I think that is lawful and works and is three households not four.

I think that is pretty much correct...however I'm not sure if the boyfriend who is bubbled with your daughter would be allowed to meet anyone else as he and your daughter are one household, so to speak. Even if he's not coming to yours, he still with your grouping of 3 households I think.

Celestine70 · 25/11/2020 21:39

Just all stay at home. Hopefully it will only be one year then.

Xenia · 25/11/2020 21:42

The non live in boyfriend who is not coming to lunch - that is up to him what he does, turkey dinner on his knee at home or whatever as long as the rest of us can meet for the first time since Christmas 2019. (Remember also that I have not supported any of the CV19 compulsory measures although I have followed them all)

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