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Christmas is saved

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MiaMarshmallows · 22/11/2020 20:40

So happy that my partner and big family can all be together this year. We are all really close and get on brilliantly. So pleased at the news today!

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TheSunIsStillShining · 23/11/2020 19:06

@PinkOrchids7

Is *@MiaMarshmallows* being sarcastic? The gov and others behind the scenes have killed off so many people due to suicide (loneliness, no money, no job, no house) and cancelled hospital appointments. Also people not getting treatment quick enough as COVID-19 is more important than anything else. They took away our rights (right to healthcare, human touch and freedom of speech) and they give back a tiny bit. Why are people so grateful when the government will take these basic human rights away from us again?

I was for the first lockdown, but too many lives are being ruined up North. For many people there isn’t any financial security and depression is on the rise. How is around £800 a month on furlough going to help people?? No, Boris hasn’t saved Christmas.

Please FGS tell us how is your freedom of speech been impaired when you keep talking on an open forum that is not moderated by government agency?

Where I come from (ironically still an EU country) there is the facade of free speech but in reality gov will silence you if you ask the wrong questions or speak up about unjust issues. I know first hand. It's not spanish inquisition, it's way more subtle: they just make sure that you don't get any work in any of the mid/large organizations or gov agencies. In some sectors there is nothing else! Or if you are a journalist they will silence you by simply firing you. Or if you are someone with a following they'll do a smear campaign of lies.

Here: anyone is free to be stupid, to be spreading idiotic views and nothing happens. So please: come again: how is your freedom of speech in any manner limited???

There is no such thing as a right to human touch. That is just idiotic!

GrooveHeart · 23/11/2020 19:07

Nope. My dad lives alone and unfortunately since we are all still at school and work right up to Christmas we don't know what we'll pick up. I'll drop off a Christmas dinner for him though and we'll all eat at the same time over Zoom.

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Zeewest · 23/11/2020 19:29

I have a boxing day sporting event booked and paid for LAST boxing day, as they want to keep my money I assume they are going ahead, we were hoping they'd cancel so we'd get our money back but if it goes ahead I'm sure I'll just loose it, I don't intend mixing with several hundred people, most of whom won't be wearing makss as they will be eating and drinking and space too small for any realistic social distancing.

looopy2411 · 23/11/2020 19:36

Not sure what to think anymore! It's all confusing. Plus we have family all over and my husband has a big family so how do we decide who to see? Can't guarantee that that none of us will have it by then either as little boy is in nursery. Think we will play it safe and stay home this year. Make up for it next year!!

Avondklok · 23/11/2020 19:57

Surely this should come down to common sense. Elderly relatives, single people, judge your risk, isolate beforehand etc. Invite the entire extended family for lunch though? No one NEEDS that even for mental health.

DreamTheMoors · 23/11/2020 20:16

@tortoiseshell1985

Yeah, thrilled at police state dictatorship
Tell that to the 12+ million COVID-19 positive and 256,000+ DEAD in the USA.

“Police state” my Aunt Fanny. A little paying attention would’ve gone a looong way over there instead of ignorance and “muh freedumb!!!”

Common sense does not equal a police state, @tortoiseshell1985 - but by all means, do go on.

Unsure33 · 23/11/2020 20:31

@PinkOrchids7

Firstly I know someone who went into hospital for treatment caught covid and died . So they were right to restrict treatment in certain circumstances. Secondly not all patients were refused treatment . My mother had a stroke and was treated quickly and efficiently . There are two sides to every story . We are lucky that we do have a benefits system and evictions were put in hold and mortgage payments temporarily suspended . The furlough system has helped a huge amount of companies .

With all due respect you can’t accuse the government of killing someone who committed suicide . There is support out there with many charities.

I am not saying there are not people or industries who are or have fallen through the net , but to accuse a government of willingly killing people during a worldwide pandemic is not appropriate.

Unsure33 · 23/11/2020 20:35

@MiaMarshmallows

Perhaps you should consider this before your knees up.

Doctors ask people vulnerable to covid to sign 'do not resuscitate' orders to ease pressure on Swiss intensive care units
Doctors in Switzerland have called for people to sign 'do not resuscitate' orders
Those affected include people over 60 and those with heart disease, diabetes

wildbarnet · 23/11/2020 20:39

@MiaMarshmallows

So happy that my partner and big family can all be together this year. We are all really close and get on brilliantly. So pleased at the news today!
I can't believe this has actually been posted
MercyBooth · 23/11/2020 20:50

My extended family are in two other countries. Ive not seen them since i was a child (1983)

Pineappleheart · 23/11/2020 21:00

Oh crap - need to find another excuse not to go to the in-laws for Christmas dinner now 🤣🤣

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earnshaw47 · 23/11/2020 22:30

i think that me and my husband will probably carry on as we have been doing and thats no mixing with others,

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Carol44 · 23/11/2020 22:46

I cancelled Christmas several weeks ago I am not risking the health of my family and friends for the sake of one meal. I have two sons in their 20's who live on different parts of the country who I haven't seen this year.
Christmas Dinner for one will be quite a novelty.

SheepandCow · 23/11/2020 22:56

unsure33 To think I thought Switzerland was a civilised country!

The workforce, including healthcare workers, includes many people with diabetes (and plenty over 60s too). Some people seem to still be clinging to the narrative that The Vulnerable were all already at death's door.

Imagine if Theresa May was living in Switzerland and caught Covid. Diabetes didn't stop her being prime minister.

MercyBooth · 24/11/2020 00:31

My school trip to Switzerland in 1986 was the last time i was abroad. The pavements were clean I mean CLEAN. No dog shit No sweet wrappers or crisp packets. We just knew not to drop anything or litter. It was unspoken but we knew we could get into trouble. But us 12/13 year olds were all gobsmacked at such clean pavements.

ParlezVousWronglais · 24/11/2020 00:37

Aren't we just storing up issues for Jan/Feb?

Yes. We all know we’re going to have to have one big last lockdown in the new year to get us to spring. To manage the third wave.

Sertchgi123 · 24/11/2020 00:39

@MiaMarshmallows

So happy that my partner and big family can all be together this year. We are all really close and get on brilliantly. So pleased at the news today!
The trouble is, the virus doesn’t know it’s Christmas.
SheepandCow · 24/11/2020 00:48

@MercyBooth
I remember looking at a friend's photos from his visit to Japan. I was struck by how clean the streets looked.

amispeakingenglish · 24/11/2020 01:25

Save Christmas, Kill the grandparents.........

MercyBooth · 24/11/2020 01:33

Can you imagine if a kid's grandparents decided to ignore the restrictions, came over, then later died of Covid? With the "don't kill granny" rhetoric that kid would be mentally scarred for life. The kid would blame themselves,. That is deeply DEEPLY sick!!!!

Is the emotional blackmailing and abuse of children the new tool in the fight against Covid?

Alexafrost · 24/11/2020 05:24

The official figures I looked at were around 55k and those are still deaths of people who had the virus not who necessarily died of it. For instance, I'm sure my relation who just died will be recorded as a Covid death as he caught the disease at hospital. However, his late stage terminal pancreatic cancer is the most likely cause of his death. So the true figure of deaths as a direct cause of Covid remains alone. And this virus is not unique in having nasty longterm effects. Flu does as well. But most people get over those. The reality is Covid is not deadly for the vast majority and death rates are fairly low for a pandemic.

Even if the population figure for the vulnerable was as high as 20% it would still make more sense shielding them than locking down the country and devastating the economy. In many countries the care home deaths amount to around 70-80% of deaths from Covid. Lockdowns are not a solution. You cannot hide from a virus. It will still be there when you go back to living normally. It just drags out the inevitable at enormous cost both financially but also in lives lost due to lockdown.

I have no contempt for the NHS whatsoever. However, I don't think the suicidal policy of lockdown was the answer to overcrowding at hospitals, especially as there wasn't the disastrous overcrowding that was predicted nor anything like the volume of deaths. And pressure occurs every year from seasonal outbreaks such as flu.

There are lots of experts. There is no consensus on this among scientists. You're deluding yourself if you believe there is. There isn't 'the science' on this, there are lots of different scientists with lots of different opinions. However, you don't need to be a scientist to work out that lockdowns don't work (btw, even the WHO doesn't recommend them). You just need basic logic.

All containment will fail. The harshest lockdown outside of China was Peru and that has one of the highest death rates. Lockdowns could only work in the short term and they could only ease pressure on health services not stop the inevitable spread of the virus. Limited and targeted shielding can work. We didn't do that.

Yes, old and sick people matter which is why I recommend a policy which will actually help them. In or out of care homes the vast majority of people who died were very old and sick and we did little to help them. Devastating the world economy will create a level of poverty which will kill a great many more people than Covid ever will.