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The government is encouraging covid spread in schools

826 replies

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2020 02:02

Bear with me, because if they're not, you have to explain this:

  1. Schools will stay fully open end of. Even when they're not.
  1. No masks allowed in classrooms where teachers and pupils spend the most time. The expectation that they would be mandated in corridors is fudged at the last minute to lockdown areas only.
  1. Pupils are not allowed to be tested for the symptoms that kids are most likely to get.
  1. Teachers (who in secondary will teach all bubbles without masks) are not to self isolate if there is a case in a class they have taught.
  1. Fudge any data that may show teachers getting ill at a higher rate than the general population and Chris Whitty lying about it
  1. Fudge data that may show school pupils having a higher infection rate than the general population
  1. Not permitting / trying / mass testing in schools where there have been cases in case they find out how bad the spread is.
  1. Actually sending letter to parents to tell them to stop getting kids tested.

9 Fine parents who try and keep their kids off when in contact with a known positive case.

  1. Launch a propaganda campaign to convince parents that schools are safe using data from schools in lockdown, which every news outlet dutifully publicises. Continuing that propaganda campaign by releasing a video of socially distanced school kids wearing masks in classrooms.

  2. Hide Gavin Williamson in a cupboard so that no journalist can accidentally ask him how his aim to reopen schools safely is going.

  3. Announce that one of the school safety measures will be children in bubbles which will burst when there are cases. Stop this midway through September and start sending home as few kids as possible. Remove the schools remit from PHE control and put DfE in charge to enforce this.

  4. Produce a Tiered system of responses to infection levels (rotas, masks, closures) to reassure parents, and shut the unions up. Then never mention them again and in fact state that they are not to be used.

  5. When Hull begs for rotas due to imminent collapse of system, send a letter to all local authorities re-iterating NO ROTAS

  6. Have some strange control over the media so they don’t mention any issues, or if they do, it must be accompanied by a picture of a jumbo classroom containing max 5 kids.

  7. Tell teachers to ignore the app when it tells them to isolate, or to turn off the app completely

  8. No funding for schools to implement any covid safety measures

Any other explanations for this list?

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borntobequiet · 24/11/2020 12:42

So approx 10% of pupils off.
Just remind me of the meaning of “decimation” please. (Nb I’m not recommending the traditional Roman military method.)

NobleElephantheThird · 24/11/2020 12:54

With the mask to get anywhere in schools though adults everywhere will need to wear them indoors too. That includes all offices etc. It has to become normalised. Our headteacher greets everyone outside day in day out with a smile for mental health which is great but she doesn’t wear a mask so others are not doing it either. Neither are the politicians. Unless we all start wearing masks indoors everywhere all the time I can’t see it being normalised in class rooms.

CheltenhamLady · 24/11/2020 13:54

It is really scary. We will never get rid of this disease if they don't acknowledge where it is spreading.

noblegiraffe · 24/11/2020 14:27

Why do some people act so hopeless in the face of things that other countries manage perfectly well? It’s bizarre.

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ClaudiaWankleman · 24/11/2020 15:06

Can anyone share an email template to send to my (hopefully quite sympathetic) MP?

Thanks to all who are sharing their experiences here - you have my deepest respect.

noblegiraffe · 24/11/2020 15:08

I'm going to write one later, got to pick the kids up first.

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IloveJKRowling · 24/11/2020 16:13

Why do some people act so hopeless in the face of things that other countries manage perfectly well? It’s bizarre.

Yes, the utter lack of imagination and defeatism of the UK as a whole for very basic things that most other comparable countries are doing. (masks)

noblegiraffe · 24/11/2020 16:49

This is going to make some people very angry.

The government is encouraging covid spread in schools
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Piggywaspushed · 24/11/2020 16:50

Yes, just did.

Danglingmod · 24/11/2020 17:01

Omfg.

Beebityboo · 24/11/2020 17:05

As a CV parent I am completely broken by that. Not even angry, just sad. I've been so scared for months and the vaccine is still so far away. I just wanted the flexibility to keep the DC's off through the second wave. I just can't cope anymore. I am so tired of being scared.

Danglingmod · 24/11/2020 17:09

It's very, very unfair. Flowers

A colleague and I are both teaching hundreds of adult bodied teenagers every day in small, non socially distanced classrooms with no-one wearing masks and then go home to our ECV partners (both with cancer) who aren't even in line for the vaccine for months. It's vile that MPs can wfh in the same situation.

TheHoneyBadger · 24/11/2020 17:19

Usual story with one rule for us....

My school is presumably considered, 'open to most pupils'. We have in fact closed to year 8 and year 9 due to critical staffing issues and in addition to those two year groups we have a further 270 kids self isolating.

4 new cases today, unsurprisingly as the case that emerged last Friday and resulted in having to partially close was in a new group that hadn't been hit before only the 'close contacts' were sent home despite knowing it was likely rife in the year. Some parents decided to test (no doubt done by lying on the website) and that's 4 more positives already.

I spent my weekend recording lessons and updating remote learning platforms etc and spent my day off today checking in with students, answering questions, marking work of those who'd done great and got it submitted and recording clips to summarise what they should have learned.

Ds whose year group has closed has had 2 lessons work out of the 10 he has missed in these two days. Not overly impressed. My department is definitely getting it right others are frankly taking the piss with the effort they've put in and I've made my thoughts clear to the person whose supposed to be in charge of remote learning.

Bit frustrating when I'm putting it days of extra work to support my remote learners and some colleagues are doing nothing for my son.

People telling good teachers to quit if they are stressed or want a safe job - please stop! We really need to hang onto the ones who DO give a shit so education doesn't go completely down the toilet.

Danglingmod · 24/11/2020 17:20

Absolutely. 50% of our maths teachers are leaving at Christmas. To go and work inich safer and higher paid roles.

ItsGrimInHull · 24/11/2020 17:26

@Danglingmod what jobs are they going to?

BBC asking for experiences of teachers and parents.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55057125

TheHoneyBadger · 24/11/2020 17:26

It has never been my position to defend ALL teachers btw. There are of course some thoroughly shit ones because teachers are treated so poorly that experienced ones have been leaving in droves for a long time and and high training grants and raised starting salaries gets bodies through the door but it doesn't mean those bodies are useful for much.

Now they've announced another pay freeze and we've had over 6 months of being vilified in the press and by vocal parents as well as being told we don't deserve basic health safety things are going to get worse as anyone even vaguely close to retirement and being able to get by is going to be considering leaving as well as those who don't really require a second income for the household etc.

There's slim pickings out there for replacing them.

I'm NOT angry about working my weekend and today to support my students but I am a very cross parent today and fed up of the fact that lazy, useless shits that don't care have to be kept because there's no chance of replacing them and diligent, vocation teachers who do care are being driven to leave because they care and can't cope with how underfunded and shoddy things have become.

Rant over.

christinarossetti19 · 24/11/2020 17:27

Danglingmod that's heart-breaking to hear.

I don't blame them for a moment though. The welfare of school staff has been so neglected for so long.

Danglingmod · 24/11/2020 18:04

Not going to be too specific, but think banking/project management, that kind of thing.

We've recruited decent replacements because people want to work at our school, but will their schools get decent replacements???

TheHoneyBadger · 24/11/2020 18:52

We're back to advertising for staff already. Lots handed in notice at may half term and left in summer and the standard of candidates they had to interview was ridiculously low by the sounds of it. Now more have handed in notice at the last half term and will be gone at Christmas so they're advertising again but they were scraping the battle for september starters so you can imagine what's around for January.

I'm being harsh sorry. Rather annoyed by ds's lack of remote education.

WhyNotMe40 · 24/11/2020 18:55

Apparently lots of our support staff have recently handed in their notice to leave at Christmas. Generally older, experienced, wonderful LSAs who will be very difficult to properly replace.

TheHoneyBadger · 24/11/2020 19:00

I won't be quitting and I'm happy to put in the extra hours to support the kids made to stay at home but just wish my son's teachers were doing even the bare minimum they're meant to.

We're short TAs - the lady who was in 2 of my year 8 classes due to some very high level sen is now barely seen as she's covering the whole of year 8 running in and out of rooms in the block. Not sure if it's illness or people have left - must ask her. Year 8 are out now anyway but I've added her to their google classrooms as apparently she'll keep an eye on the ones she's meant to support that way whilst they're out.

I'm putting little polls and things on my class streams so those who are bothering to check in and care about their work can see I'm interesting in how they're doing and available. I honestly can't understand people not bothering to do the remote learning - they must know they are broadcasting their shitness?

RaeburnPlace · 24/11/2020 19:08

Yep, our LA vacancies list is so full of teaching jobs and even more so teaching assistant, lunch time staff and admin assistant jobs. Leaving in droves, I've never known anything like it.

Applications are down, 5 for the last TA interviews. Three withdrew before interview, two interviewed. The one who got the job...a teacher who doesn't want to teach full time any longer.

I've schools closed currently with staff shortages. Admin, TA and some teachers and just no supply availability.

TheHoneyBadger · 24/11/2020 19:13

That's made me curious to go and see what's being advertised positions wise here.

noblegiraffe · 24/11/2020 19:13

I've written a generic email to MPs which could easily be adapted to put in bits about personal experience of kids isolating, exam impact, ECV families etc. I tried to keep it short enough that it might be read so have left out loads about ONS data manipulation etc, that could be another email. It's still pretty long....

Dear X

I am writing to you because I am increasingly alarmed about the worsening situation in secondary schools in England.

Last week's ONS random sampling data showed that the infection rate in secondary school children continues to increase at a worrying rate, after a short dip at half term which confirms that the transmission in this group of children is related to school attendance. They are the most infected subset of the population, with an estimated 1 in 50 students affected.
The latest attendance figures show that nearly 900,000 pupils were absent from school for covid reasons last Thursday. 73% of secondary schools had isolating pupils due to contact with cases within the school. Again, this represents a rapidly worsening picture, with only 64% of secondary schools affected the Thursday before. 1% of schools are completely closed, this was 0.4% the previous week.

It appears that any efforts to control the transmission of covid within secondary schools is not working. The change from sending home full bubbles when there area positive cases to only sending home close contacts is not breaking the chain of transmission and causing further cases, and more pupils to be sent home. Some children have spent many weeks in quarantine since September, unable to access face-to-face teaching and not even allowed to leave the house. This should be a national scandal, and it is inexplicable that it is not headline news as it was when it was university students that were affected.

The DfE response to these worrying figures, rather than recognising the need to improve measures to control the spread, is to suggest that the issue is that schools are sending home too many pupils. Given the increasing infection rates, sending home fewer pupils than currently would seem to be an extremely counter-productive and would contribute to increased spread.

There is nothing to suggest that the situation will improve, and everything to suggest that it will worsen over the next 3 weeks. More schools will have to close due to lack of staffing, and more pupils will be trapped at home quarantining, some for the Christmas period.

That secondary school pupils are becoming increasingly infected with covid should be a national concern given the latest news that Christmas will bring more household mingling. These children will be visiting elderly relatives, indoors, for extended periods, and there will be tragic consequences. The government will be held responsible for this, particularly given that they have overturned some schools' decisions to close early to provide a safety buffer for families before Christmas.

Please could you raise with your colleague Gavin Williamson, and the DfE as a matter of urgency the issue of inadequate mitigation measures in secondary schools which is leading to uncontrolled transmission of covid, and nearly a million students out of school?

The use of masks in classrooms is currently 'to be avoided' in the school guidance, due to potential effects on teaching and learning. This should now be balanced against the huge disruption to teaching and learning due to pupils and teachers being unable to attend school.

Mass testing in schools should be a priority. We know that children are more likely to be asymptomatic or have symptoms which do not currently trigger a test. As a result they are in school spreading covid, which will then affect teachers and be taken back to the community. Instead of isolating only close contacts the entire bubble should be tested when there is a positive case to identify all infected pupils.

Funding should be given to schools to improve ventilation in classrooms, as has been done in other countries.

The position of clinically extremely vulnerable teachers and children, and those who have vulnerable members of their household should be reconsidered. Forcing them to work or study in an environment which is obviously not safe after lockdown is completely unacceptable, and I note that you and your colleagues are not expected to put yourselves and your families at risk in this way.

Please note that I understand that keeping schools open is a priority for the government, but they are currently failing in this. Saying that schools will be kept open is not enough, swift action needs to be taken before the system collapses as is happening in Hull.

I look forward to your response,
Kind regards...

Use this website to email your MP www.writetothem.com/
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Danglingmod · 24/11/2020 19:14

Absolutely. I have never in my life seen so many admin/cleaning/TA vacancies. I suppose they will be easily "filled" with so many people out of work but they won't necessarily have any experience.

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