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The government is encouraging covid spread in schools

826 replies

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2020 02:02

Bear with me, because if they're not, you have to explain this:

  1. Schools will stay fully open end of. Even when they're not.
  1. No masks allowed in classrooms where teachers and pupils spend the most time. The expectation that they would be mandated in corridors is fudged at the last minute to lockdown areas only.
  1. Pupils are not allowed to be tested for the symptoms that kids are most likely to get.
  1. Teachers (who in secondary will teach all bubbles without masks) are not to self isolate if there is a case in a class they have taught.
  1. Fudge any data that may show teachers getting ill at a higher rate than the general population and Chris Whitty lying about it
  1. Fudge data that may show school pupils having a higher infection rate than the general population
  1. Not permitting / trying / mass testing in schools where there have been cases in case they find out how bad the spread is.
  1. Actually sending letter to parents to tell them to stop getting kids tested.

9 Fine parents who try and keep their kids off when in contact with a known positive case.

  1. Launch a propaganda campaign to convince parents that schools are safe using data from schools in lockdown, which every news outlet dutifully publicises. Continuing that propaganda campaign by releasing a video of socially distanced school kids wearing masks in classrooms.

  2. Hide Gavin Williamson in a cupboard so that no journalist can accidentally ask him how his aim to reopen schools safely is going.

  3. Announce that one of the school safety measures will be children in bubbles which will burst when there are cases. Stop this midway through September and start sending home as few kids as possible. Remove the schools remit from PHE control and put DfE in charge to enforce this.

  4. Produce a Tiered system of responses to infection levels (rotas, masks, closures) to reassure parents, and shut the unions up. Then never mention them again and in fact state that they are not to be used.

  5. When Hull begs for rotas due to imminent collapse of system, send a letter to all local authorities re-iterating NO ROTAS

  6. Have some strange control over the media so they don’t mention any issues, or if they do, it must be accompanied by a picture of a jumbo classroom containing max 5 kids.

  7. Tell teachers to ignore the app when it tells them to isolate, or to turn off the app completely

  8. No funding for schools to implement any covid safety measures

Any other explanations for this list?

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Piggywaspushed · 23/11/2020 17:27

In the plans for today : no schools to close early, parents should not remove children for the end of term. I foresee massive test avoidance in December.

mrshoho · 23/11/2020 17:35

Very sad to hear about the teaching staff. I hope abd pray that they both recover from this.

ChloeDecker · 23/11/2020 17:37
Heartbreaking to read Sad
MrsHamlet · 23/11/2020 17:37

I hope those hell bent on forcing teachers into unsafe conditions are rethinking their position.
I'd hope so but I doubt it.

Kitcat122 · 23/11/2020 17:39

My son's school has a young teacher in ICU.

Feministicon · 23/11/2020 18:03

@Kitcat122

My son's school has a young teacher in ICU.
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Piggywaspushed · 23/11/2020 18:05

Oh, I hope they will be OK kitcat.

Bridecilla · 23/11/2020 18:49

I didn't want to share a Mirror link on my Social Media so went in search of the article about the primary teachers elsewhere... couldn't find it on any of the biggies.

Fucking disgrace

Does anyone know of a hashtag we should be using when trying to raise awareness?

noblegiraffe · 23/11/2020 18:52

At the bottom of the article it mentions a 55 year old French teacher from Liverpool who has died of covid.

This is awful :(

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AppleKatie · 23/11/2020 18:53

This is so horrendous.

My DCs primary has 4 out of 8 year groups isolating at the moment and about 12 active cases- 10 of them staff. I can only assume that there are loads of asymptomatic kids - maybe even mine but we’ll never know.

Several of the staff isolating are not exactly young and super fit so it’s a definite worry. Sad

IloveJKRowling · 23/11/2020 20:04

That's awful to hear Kitcat - I hope the teacher from your son's school gets better very soon.

But we've been warning of this on these threads for weeks and weeks. 2+2=4. Open schools as they have been with absolutely no PPE for staff - indeed an express directive from DfE not to wear masks in lessons, no attempt to even measure the number of asymptomatic kids or ensure rapid testing in schools - only sending home SOME children when there's a positive case in an enclosed indoor environment for hours. In these conditions, teachers could in theory get a big viral load which leads to more severe disease. If I can see it, the health professionals can. Why aren't they measuring for this to quantify the real risks? Why is literally no money being put in?

Why do the people denying risk in this country think that Italy, Spain, France are all wearing masks in schools ALL THE TIME now, children from the age of 6? They're not doing it for fun. There is a reason.

IloveJKRowling · 23/11/2020 20:08

Oh and why oh why oh why aren't teachers being encouraged and supported to wear masks.

I had a chat to my DDs teacher before term started in Sept. She was very understandably anxious. She has now started wearing a mask in classes (good for her) - but she's the only one and DD tells me it's not all the time (I'm sure she feels pressure to take it off sometimes). It is hard to go against the grain like that. She shouldn't be put in that position.

Susanwouldntlikeit · 23/11/2020 20:34

Because lots of us teachers have read validated research that masks are pointless.

Piggywaspushed · 23/11/2020 20:38

Validated? Really? You aren't going to cite the debunked and flawed Danish research are you?

Piggywaspushed · 23/11/2020 20:39

What is pointless is the encouragement to wear visors instead.

Piggywaspushed · 23/11/2020 20:39

Genuinely susan , how many students in your school? What are your class sizes?

AppleKatie · 23/11/2020 20:39

Because lots of us teachers have read validated research that masks are pointless.

Validated?? By who? I’d love a link because all (and I do mean all) of the Teachers I know and trust support mask wearing.

mrshoho · 23/11/2020 20:48

@Piggywaspushed

Genuinely susan , how many students in your school? What are your class sizes?
Small private school in London with small numbers of students and large rooms I imagine. Bet my life on it she's not in a normal sized state secondary.
Appuskidu · 23/11/2020 21:04

@Susanwouldntlikeit

Because lots of us teachers have read validated research that masks are pointless.
Can you please link to the validated research?

There’s lots of teachers here who would like to read it.

AppleKatie · 23/11/2020 21:18

Small private school in London with small numbers of students and large rooms I imagine. Bet my life on it she's not in a normal sized state secondary.

Doubt it my friends in small schools like that have been masked up throughout. Tbh it’s more likely to be an imaginary school.

borntobequiet · 23/11/2020 21:23

@Susanwouldntlikeit

Because lots of us teachers have read validated research that masks are pointless.
You need to tell the World Health Organization then www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

There’s a nice little video on masks for children too.

TheSunIsStillShining · 23/11/2020 21:28

I have encountered my favourite -so far- covid safety measure in our school.
I asked my son's friend who attends school in corporeal form about mask usage. Here is what he said:

"You have to wear a mask in community spaces and when there is no teacher supervision. But when you have a teacher in the room you take it off."

Who would have thought that teachers have the magic presence that scares the virus away. :)

TheSunIsStillShining · 23/11/2020 21:33

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TheSunIsStillShining · 23/11/2020 21:37

@borntobequiet
I am so sorry.

borntobequiet · 23/11/2020 21:45

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