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The government is encouraging covid spread in schools

826 replies

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2020 02:02

Bear with me, because if they're not, you have to explain this:

  1. Schools will stay fully open end of. Even when they're not.
  1. No masks allowed in classrooms where teachers and pupils spend the most time. The expectation that they would be mandated in corridors is fudged at the last minute to lockdown areas only.
  1. Pupils are not allowed to be tested for the symptoms that kids are most likely to get.
  1. Teachers (who in secondary will teach all bubbles without masks) are not to self isolate if there is a case in a class they have taught.
  1. Fudge any data that may show teachers getting ill at a higher rate than the general population and Chris Whitty lying about it
  1. Fudge data that may show school pupils having a higher infection rate than the general population
  1. Not permitting / trying / mass testing in schools where there have been cases in case they find out how bad the spread is.
  1. Actually sending letter to parents to tell them to stop getting kids tested.

9 Fine parents who try and keep their kids off when in contact with a known positive case.

  1. Launch a propaganda campaign to convince parents that schools are safe using data from schools in lockdown, which every news outlet dutifully publicises. Continuing that propaganda campaign by releasing a video of socially distanced school kids wearing masks in classrooms.

  2. Hide Gavin Williamson in a cupboard so that no journalist can accidentally ask him how his aim to reopen schools safely is going.

  3. Announce that one of the school safety measures will be children in bubbles which will burst when there are cases. Stop this midway through September and start sending home as few kids as possible. Remove the schools remit from PHE control and put DfE in charge to enforce this.

  4. Produce a Tiered system of responses to infection levels (rotas, masks, closures) to reassure parents, and shut the unions up. Then never mention them again and in fact state that they are not to be used.

  5. When Hull begs for rotas due to imminent collapse of system, send a letter to all local authorities re-iterating NO ROTAS

  6. Have some strange control over the media so they don’t mention any issues, or if they do, it must be accompanied by a picture of a jumbo classroom containing max 5 kids.

  7. Tell teachers to ignore the app when it tells them to isolate, or to turn off the app completely

  8. No funding for schools to implement any covid safety measures

Any other explanations for this list?

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SophieB100 · 22/11/2020 20:43

11/20 here

TheHoneyBadger · 22/11/2020 20:44

@noblegiraffe

More DfE propaganda. This is from their Facebook page. There are no smaller class sizes unless you count because of multiple absences due to covid.

There’s also no strict social distancing. Schools are crammed, particularly in corridors because a mask will be all the protection needed when you are squeezing past Y11 (this doesn’t count as close contact although physical contact should).

Still reading but THIS! No school staff can look at that image and fail to see that it is flagrant, deliberate misinformation ergo propaganda. Propaganda has an agenda. What do people think that agenda is? Why are government lying and deliberately misleading people about the situation in schools?
RedToothBrush · 22/11/2020 20:45

[quote GhostTypeEevee]@nobelgiraffe have you tried tweeting journos with what you have been finding?[/quote]
Lewis Goodall isnt a bad call. He's followed issues with universities and care homes keenly if im not mistaken. (@lewis_goodall)

More locally if you are in Greater Manchester Jennifer Williams (@jenwilliamsmen) at the MEN and Emma Gill (@familymanc) are worth getting in touch with though the story needs to get out of the local bubble.

CallmeAngelina · 22/11/2020 20:46

@Napqueen1234, why don't you try teaching for a while in the current climate and see how you feel offering advice then?

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2020 20:47

Btw Lewis Goodall usually accepts open DMs (and seems to be discreet) and the other two have none twitter ways to contact privately (part of the reason i name them).

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2020 20:51

Mn has put rogue * in twitter handles above.... Not me.

Napqueen1234 · 22/11/2020 20:53

@CallmeAngelina I am a nurse and also a teacher- I teach face to face in higher education.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 22/11/2020 20:55

Let me C&P my responses:

I wrote a load of questions to him about safety of adults in the school environment (specifically adults, no mention of children at all). I also didn't say I wanted to close schools. He wrote back:

I am absolutely supportive of the Government's approach to keep schools and other educational establishments open. The risk to children from the virus is very low and they have already lost months in education which, as we know, impacts the most disadvantaged the most. As the Prime Minister said, 'we have a moral duty to keep schools open now that it is safe to do so, because we must not let this virus damage our children’s futures'. The Government are also massively expanding testing for schools and I am believe the extensive measures already put in place by schools will mean children are impacted as little as possible.

So, I wrote back:

I'm not very concerned about children and the direct impact of contracting covid. They will all be fine. My concerns are about staff.

Now we've been back at school for 8 working days, I can add mental health of staff to my concerns. Did anyone actually consider what it might be like on a purely logistical basis when they were lobbying for schools to be fully open? For what it's worth I also think schools should be open, especially primary schools, but more consideration needs to have been given to staff health and wellbeing.

At the moment, all of our senior leadership team are not in school due to lockdown shielding. This means we are very short staffed. There is no extra funding for money for soap, let alone replacement management staff. Other staff without the skill set are being asked to step up and make decisions they haven't been trained for, or are experienced to make. Behaviour of the children is extremely challenging (and this is across the board, read the BBC article from yesterday), they break 'bubbles' all the time, yet we have no recourse. The guidance says keep the children in school even if they put the health of staff at risk. Super. Like I asked - are we expendable? I can't even get a flu vaccine due to lack of availability, and I'm not on any priority lists for regular testing or even this alleged incredible vaccine. Yet I am expected to be in school without PPE and surrounded by children who quite literally cough into my face.

We know that children's symptoms of covid are not the same as adults. We KNOW THIS. Please see the Zoe app research for detail. Yet we can't send children home unless they exhibit the three main adult symptoms. Even then, parents don't have to prove that their child has had a negative test result before they are sent back to school. I have had 9 parents in my class lie about this since the beginning of October. The children said they'd been tested, while parroting parents, but hadn't a clue what the test entailed. This is further putting my health at risk.

And don't give me your nonsense about caring for the most disadvantaged children, when you voted only a week or so ago to not bother feeding them.

I don't want you to quote 'our' Prime Minister, he is a liar and a blustering fool. Nothing he says can be taken as honest or sometimes even, an actual sentence. I know what he has apparently said, I want someone to stand up for school staff in parliament, I want someone to answer some actual questions about it at press conferences. Does the Tory party consider school staff expendable?

And he wrote back:

Thank you for your email. I do understand your concern for teachers at this time but I do not support the call for schools to close.

Measures are in place to keep teachers, children and other school staff safe. Safety has been Ministers’ upmost concern throughout and I know that if the situation changes they won’t hesitate to act.

To help educational settings prepare, detailed plans for nurseries, schools, special schools and colleges were published in July that set out what was required to deliver a full return as safely as possible. The guidance was developed with medical and scientific experts and follows regular engagement with the education sector. If schools follow the guidance set out here and maximise control measures, they can be confident they are managing risk effectively.

I know that some teachers have expressed concerns about the guidance on PPE in schools, which states that it will not be needed in the majority of cases. It is important to note from all we know so far children are at least risk from the current pandemic. The full guidance can be found here – www.gov.uk/government/publications/actions-for-schools-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak/guidance-for-full-opening-schools

Staff who are clinically extremely vulnerable are advised to work from home and not to go into work. Individuals in this group will have been identified through a letter from the NHS or from their GP, and may have been advised to shield in the past. Staff should talk to their employers about how they will be supported, including to work from home where possible, during the period of national restrictions.

All other staff should continue to attend work, including those living in a household with someone who is clinically extremely vulnerable. Staff and children who are clinically vulnerable or have underlying health conditions but are not clinically extremely vulnerable, may continue to attend school in line with current guidance.

I hope you will be reassured to know also that priority access to testing is available to all those involved in education, childcare or social work.

If you have any specific concerns about the safety of a particular school, do let me know and I can look into this.

So, he and I are about to fall out.

hedgehogger1 · 22/11/2020 20:56

I'm on an 8 on the quiz. Now have a colleague in hospital. Maybe you need an extra question to cover that :(

CallmeAngelina · 22/11/2020 20:57

[quote Napqueen1234]@CallmeAngelina I am a nurse and also a teacher- I teach face to face in higher education.[/quote]
And how much face-to-face teaching have you done throughout Covid?

mumsneedwine · 22/11/2020 20:59

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot if it's so safe ask him to come visit. You'll happily show him around. And he can sit in and observe some lessons, and enjoy the joy of lesson changeover.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 22/11/2020 21:00

@mumsneedwine

It's lucky he told me about the guidance, I mean, until he mentioned it I'd not heard of it. Ha.

My response email to the above has begun with 'Have you been into a school since September? If so, did you wear a mask?'

It's a draft work in progress at the moment.

mumsneedwine · 22/11/2020 21:02

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot you're politer than me. I'm on the verge of telling anyone schools are safe to F off to the far side of F.

SadSecretSanta · 22/11/2020 21:02

Have any other teachers been made aware of how to get priority tests? I certainly haven’t.

Napqueen1234 · 22/11/2020 21:02

Well in the first lockdown we were closed when schools were but since September twice a week? We teach nurses the practical skills so obviously this is compulsory as part of their course and we can’t just not do it. So I teach 60 students in the morning and 60 in the afternoon doing practical skills including CPR where you need to get fairly close to teach it properly. We are allowed to wear masks but I mostly have to remove it as students can’t hear what I’m saying and they absolutely have to learn the skills before the go on placement. This was when there were huge spikes of student cases (up to 700/100,000). When unis closed I worked in the local hospital on a covid ward as they were short staffed. So I’m not completely clueless believe it or not.

AllDoneIn · 22/11/2020 21:04

@Napqueen1234 the academics I know are doing as little face to face teaching as they can i.e. attending for lab work but lecturing remotely. All their students in face to face teaching are in masks and socially distanced far beyond anything achievable in a school classroom. The nurses and medics I know are in full PPE at work.

But by all means, go ahead and tell us you are in unventilated rooms for an hour at a time with 30 unmasked teenagers ... then another 30 ... then another 30 etc. Tell us we are mentally ill for perhaps thinking this isn't the safest, given that we can't wander into a gift shop for 5 minutes because it's apparently unsafe, even though everyone in there is in a mask.

AllDoneIn · 22/11/2020 21:07

X-posted @Napqueen1234. I'd like to think your groups of 60 nursing students are a bit more clued into the whole hygiene / mask-wearing / social distancing thing than the average 14 year old.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 22/11/2020 21:07

@SadSecretSanta

Have any other teachers been made aware of how to get priority tests? I certainly haven’t.

Nope. And I don't want a priority test to tell me I've got it, I want measures to STOP me getting it. I also want measures to prevent my vulnerable partner getting it - who won't be able to have this unicorn priority testing.

TheSunIsStillShining · 22/11/2020 21:09

I know this is about schools, but I think the arts sector needs help too and hope this will a fantastic show:

www.rtflockdown.com/

Kenneth Branagh, Judi Dench, Ian McKellen, Maggie Smith, Derek Jacobi

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2020 21:10

Why would a nurse on a covid ward think that having concerns about unmitigated covid spread in secondary schools is a sign of insanity rather than sanity?

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AllDoneIn · 22/11/2020 21:11

It beggars belief @noblegiraffe. But I'm just waiting for someone to pop up and say we all want schools to close and sit at home baking on full pay.

CallmeAngelina · 22/11/2020 21:12

Most odd.

alreadytaken · 22/11/2020 21:12

about the only thing the government could do to encourage even more spread of covid is to say you cant ventilate because children cant learn when they are too cold. Maybe that will come in January.

The government wanted to run this hot and go for herd immunity. Claiming to be concerned about children is a good cover story.

mumsneedwine · 22/11/2020 21:14

@Napqueen1234 you're a nurse. Have worked on a COVID ward. Yet you think people being put into situations where they catch COVID is ok ? Main transmission is now in schools. And you don't see the problem ? I have no words. That are polite.

BelleSausage · 22/11/2020 21:14

@SadSecretSanta

I was told by the NHS hotline that there is no such thing as priority testing for key workers.

What a total shambles