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What will cause greater harm to human life?

112 replies

Billie18 · 21/11/2020 18:47

What will cause greater harm to human life in the long term. Lockdowns or coronavirus?

OP posts:
Whoknowswhenlockdownwillend · 21/11/2020 20:00

Lockdown unless you’re unlucky enough to die from covid. That number of people though will be a lot less than the people who have mental health issues or missed diagnosis/delay of treatment issues.

ValancyRedfern · 21/11/2020 20:02

Lockdown. I have lost people due to domestic violence and suicide. Its not fair they are being sacrificed.

Sirzy · 21/11/2020 20:04

@Whoknowswhenlockdownwillend

Lockdown unless you’re unlucky enough to die from covid. That number of people though will be a lot less than the people who have mental health issues or missed diagnosis/delay of treatment issues.
But it’s not just those dying that’s that are suffering. The long covid is really showing to be a massive problem and for those with no underlying health problems.

I know 4 healthy people in their 40s who have caught covid recently, all fit and active before. 1 ended up in hospital for a week, one narrowly avoided hospital. 3 of the 4 are still having issue 6-8 weeks on.

I think a lot of people like the narrative “it only impacts the vulnerable” because it makes them feel safe. But that’s not true

quarentini · 21/11/2020 20:05

Lockdown 100 percent.
My friend committed suicide during the first lockdown.
Lots of people I know are on the edge mental health wise.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 21/11/2020 20:05

Lockdown.

Namenic · 21/11/2020 20:06

Corona because as PPs mentioned, if you let nhs get overrun you may get Wuhan - which would be worse and harder to mitigate than problems caused by current lockdown situation. Currently govt have a choice to provide more support to people, eg protection from eviction, distributing food, long term mental health and education initiatives. If you got into a Wuhan situation, it would be hard to prevent deaths - and not just from corona - as not enough staff to cope with all who need it.

Flaxmeadow · 21/11/2020 20:07

Coronavirus

WoodYewBee · 21/11/2020 20:08

coronavirus

Whoopsmahoot · 21/11/2020 20:10

Lockdown but only because we took steps against Covid. If it had been left to run free in the population numbers would have been greater. No one has a crystal ball but everyone has hindsight.

alreadytaken · 21/11/2020 20:11

Covid - it's going to cause damage to people for many years because so far we have consistently under-estimated what it does to the people who survive.

There will be a massive amount of pent up demand released when restrictions relax - and they can be relaxed a lot sooner and with less economic damage if we all stick to them.

MiniTheMinx · 21/11/2020 20:12

@Stellaris22

I don't believe 'covid fear' is a thing (although it can cause extreme anxieties) more it's just people being rightly cautious and sensible. It's quite insulting to have it ridiculed like this.

I don't want another lockdown so will be sticking to mask wearing, social distancing and our personal household bubble. I don't care for or particularly follow government rules/advice as a lot of it is non sensical. But basic common sense is needed.

All the people complaining about lockdowns and giving up rights too easily, are you sticking to mask wearing etc or are you the type of person causing a lockdown.

Extreme anxiety.....fear. Sorry I was just saying Covid Fear as a shorthand for anxieties people feel.

I am following all the guidance. I'm not the most social of animals so am quite happy wandering around in a field in the pissing rain Grin I don't need to work, and when I do I choose my own hrs, I have had a lot of time off because of my anxiety around covid. I have a fairly cynical outlook on this government, and an open mind about the science. I am though concerned with two things, as are most people. How to protect human life, but also how to make a life worth living. I don't have the answers, aside from saying we have an economic system that can not support the protection of life without damaging quality of life. No life is more valuable than another, and you can not come to any philosophical truth about quality of life versus life itself.....to do so starts to get in to the realms of what is life, and what is a good life, and what is it all about.

Bellal · 21/11/2020 20:14

Lockdown, 100%.

amusedtodeath1 · 21/11/2020 20:15

Don't you lot have your own thread where you talk incessantly about this and other Covid related questions? If you haven't figured it out yet then there's little hope of you understanding now.

It's all just a horrible conspiracy designed to....??? See that's where all this falls short,. No one benefits from this, there's no reason why the whole world would be taking this seriously if it wasn't...erm... serious!

Jasharps · 21/11/2020 20:18

Lockdown now for sure

tattooedmummy1 · 21/11/2020 20:21

The government.
And covid.

Stellaris22 · 21/11/2020 20:24

Tbf this government didn't need covid to cause unnecessary deaths.

user1487194234 · 21/11/2020 20:31

Lockdown by far

Bellal · 21/11/2020 20:35

@ValancyRedfern

Lockdown. I have lost people due to domestic violence and suicide. Its not fair they are being sacrificed.
The domestic violence point is really important but is rarely given much prominance. People in those situations have effectively been thrown under the bus.
Larsingsong · 21/11/2020 20:44

I really can't see how lockdown would be anything but a last resort. So I would say Covid-19 is the greatest threat. I worked on the front line during the first wave. It's real and overwhelming.

But this time, other services need to continue in the NHS along with Covid; screening, cancer diagnosis and treatment, general surgery and so on. Covid can't take hold again this winter or all those services will have to be cancelled, creating a backlog that the NHS will struggle to ever catch up on and many more lives lost in the long run.

cologne4711 · 21/11/2020 20:46

@Stellaris22

All the people saying lockdown, are you personally taking measures to do your bit to prevent further lockdowns?

Mask wearing, social distancing, sticking to household bubbles.

Yes.

it’s not just flu

There's no such thing as "just" flu. It is a serious illness and it is NOT just like a cold, despite what some MNers claim.

1dayatatime · 21/11/2020 22:30

@magnarocks

I think it's very easy to say lockdown unless you have personally been affected by COVID e.g. it's made you very unwell or caused the loss of someone close to y

I know no one who has died of covid but I do know my DS best friend who committed suicide as a result of losing his job due to lockdown, a friend who suffered domestic violence during lockdown and many many people who are mentally barely holding it together.

So perhaps it is easy to say Covid when you don't know anyone who has committed suicide or suffered domestic violence or if you are someone whose mental health has broken because of the lockdown.

Flaxmeadow · 21/11/2020 23:05

So perhaps it is easy to say Covid when you don't know anyone who has committed suicide or suffered domestic violence or if you are someone whose mental health has broken because of the lockdown.

People suffered from DV and serious mental health problems involving suicidal thoughts before covid. It's harder to cope now but it isn't lockdown that caused this to begin with. If a man punches a woman because he can't deal with lockdown then that problem goes much deeper. He was already a pathetic piece of shit and lockdown is no excuse

What do you think would have happened to the vital services helping victims of DV and severe mental health problems if we hadn't locked down? Those services would have collapsed.

As hard as lockdown is, without it the prospects for the vulnerble would be much worse. Hospitals and GPs would have to deal with a huge increase in covid patients in a very short space of time. Health sevuces, the police and social services, the ones who deal with DV and MH every single day, would be overwhelmed with covid related issues without a lockdown. How about food riots anyone?, when the supermarket shelves empty completely for days, even weeks, on end. How would disorder on the streets help anyones MH?

Those staffing the vital services, health, social care, police, food retail, have never stopped working throughout this pandemic but with no lockdown those services would be depleted even more than they are now because many would be off sick with covid too. What then for those suffering with MH and DV? What then, when no one answers the phone, the police, social workers, GP, ambulance and 999 don't answer because no one is there ?

cbt944 · 21/11/2020 23:12

Oh, yairs. Shoulda done a Sweden. Working so well for them.

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/11/18/sweden-coronavirus-surge-policy/

Sb2012 · 21/11/2020 23:14

@Sirzy

Both pose a massive risk which is why it’s such a balancing act.

Acting too late with the lockdowns allows the virus to get more of a hold meaning the risks are increased for the virus AND lockdowns need to be longer to bring cases down

I agree.
Northernsoulgirl45 · 21/11/2020 23:28

It is a serious balancing act for sure.
Impossible to say ine or the the other as both have pros and cons.

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