Telegraph tomorrow, Christmas relaxed

[MummaPI]

Just seen the front page on the telegraph but can't read online with subscribing.
Says Boris to announce Christmas rules next week but likely to be 21st-28th.
My first thought was "I don't normally see people every day for this long at Christmas anyway!!"
If anyone can read it and add more info, that would be great. I know its nothing definite but there has been a habit of leaving to the press before announcing.

@Holothane

This had better not be true, we’re going no where parents not coming to us, well my in-laws. January is grim at the best of times even more so this year, because people will get drunk and won’t care. Sorry if I’m a grumpy git

You dont have to go anywhere. Doesn’t mean I’m not!

@tilder

So is covid not catching at Christmas?

We're planning on a quiet Christmas. Followed by vaccination. Followed by mega family out of season Christmas.

We're not religious. If the family get together is delayed a couple of months, so be it. I haven't avoided contact since March just to give my mum covid a few weeks before she gets the vaccine.

That’s your lookout! Don’t expect others not to see people just because you haven’t since March

That headline has gone now and replaced with

Lockdown restrictions are expected to be in place into the New Year to get us through the "hump" of winter, the deputy chief executive of NHS Providers has said.

Saffron Cordery told BBC Breakfast the NHS workforce was now "incredibly tired" as they treat coronavirus patients as well as trying to keep regular services open.

She added that the main priority for hospital chiefs "is to look after their staff so they can look after patients effectively," adding "they are acutely aware of how tired their staff are".

"There's this huge hope (of a vaccine) among staff and among the general public and this sense of 'oh we can take our foot off the peddle now'," she said.

"But actually we can't, we need to hold on just a little while longer until all of the elements are in place."

Ms Cordery said she expected the restrictions to remain in place into the New Year to make sure we are through the "hump of winter-meets-coronavirus".

God everyone is moaning about this!

Stay the fuck at home if you have a problem with it but don’t expect others not to go out and see friends / family just because you are

Surely the reason for a week of relaxed restrictions is because some people work over the Christmas period, and there might only be one or two days within that when they can actually meet up?

In theory it wouldn't be a bad thing to relax things a certain extent over the bank holidays (which isn't just about a Christian festival, it isn't like loads of people are just desperate to get to church, although a carol service might be just what we all need at the moment!).

I ideally the relaxation would come with the message that the limits in place (whatever they become) are a limit not a target and the more careful we are the fewer people will die.

Ludicrous! I would love to stay home and certainly will be but what about when I return to work as a vulnerable teacher in January in a tiny classroom with no PPE, no social distancing and a class full of children whose families have been mixing for a week with extended family. Bubbles, what a fucking joke!

ideally the relaxation would come with the message that the limits in place (whatever they become) are a limit not a target and the more careful we are the fewer people will die

Just reading these boards is enough to convince me that there isn’t the restraint left in the public for that unfortunately. Any more wishy washy ‘advisories’ are going to be flouted. It’s been too long and too hard for a significant number of people. The boundaries need to be clear and allow for as little interpretation as possible.

I work in a hospital that hasn’t been hit terribly this time but I can see the pure exhaustion in my colleagues faces.

I’m exhausted, my daughter is exhausted, my father is exhausted, in one way or another everyone is exhausted - but we need to keep on top of what we’ve achieved so far. A vaccination programme is so close that to risk that for the sake of Christmas just doesn’t make sense.

Heybabe2020 come back in January and see how smug you are then enjoy your binge won’t you.

@Holothane

Heybabe2020 come back in January and see how smug you are then enjoy your binge won’t you.

I will enjoy don’t worry

@HeyBaby2020

God everyone is moaning about this!

Stay the fuck at home if you have a problem with it but don’t expect others not to go out and see friends / family just because you are

The people being sensible and staying at home (or maybe meeting up with just a few close relatives on 1 or 2 days) might be enough to subsidise those who have no social responsibility and will just do whatever they want.

Therefore I wouldn't be dismissive of people who will be sensible. If everyone just went out and did what they want for a week then we'd all be fucked in January.

@SleepymummyZzz

Ludicrous! I would love to stay home and certainly will be but what about when I return to work as a vulnerable teacher in January in a tiny classroom with no PPE, no social distancing and a class full of children whose families have been mixing for a week with extended family. Bubbles, what a fucking joke!

Exactly, the breakouts in schools in my county (not hotspot) have been in September a week or 2 after summer holiday and then again a week or 2 after half-term. If it is a viral free-for-all around Christmas, then schools will see breakouts again at the start of term or after a week or 2 - it is not fair on teachers or pupils to do this relaxation.

@Orangeblossom7777

That headline has gone now and replaced with

Lockdown restrictions are expected to be in place into the New Year to get us through the "hump" of winter, the deputy chief executive of NHS Providers has said.

Saffron Cordery told BBC Breakfast the NHS workforce was now "incredibly tired" as they treat coronavirus patients as well as trying to keep regular services open.

She added that the main priority for hospital chiefs "is to look after their staff so they can look after patients effectively," adding "they are acutely aware of how tired their staff are".

"There's this huge hope (of a vaccine) among staff and among the general public and this sense of 'oh we can take our foot off the peddle now'," she said.

"But actually we can't, we need to hold on just a little while longer until all of the elements are in place."

Ms Cordery said she expected the restrictions to remain in place into the New Year to make sure we are through the "hump of winter-meets-coronavirus".

That makes more sense. The woman from PHE who fuelled all this 25 days' lockdown for 5 days' of Christmas idiocy surely was making it as she went along and had no mandate to be proposing policy live on TV.

And yes, it is equally unfair on the NHS to relax restrictions around Christmas. All the local hospitals are experiencing ward closures due to outbreaks on the wards, despite testing people on admission - the patients are negative on admission but infectious after a couple of days and then the whole ward and staff and all their families are infected, all the operations get cancelled etc.
It would be very bad for the NHS to do this relaxation.

I'm more worried by the implication non-essential shops won't be allowed to open till the 22nd. There will just be hordes of people trying to cram their Christmas shopping into two days, surely?

I hope they do cancel Christmas if they are reading this. I don’t want vulnerable relatives coming to stay and then dying, but so wouldn’t like to turn them down either. It’s just one year.

@Isthatitnow

FFS. One day is all it needs. Two at most. All that’s going to happen is 7 days of madness and the people who will pay for that are NHS and school staff who will be infected upon return to school in January.

Not if you have young adult sons living on their own 250 and 300 miles away☹️....minimum would be 2 nights stay to give a full Christmas Day. I’ve seen them separately just once since last Christmas.They’ve not seen each other since last Xmas. My eldest sons live in partner is from South American country-she can’t go home for Xmas as she has done every year until now. She’s already really sad at not seeing her family in nearly 1 year...to not have Xmas in a family setting will be very upsetting for her. My youngest lives on his own 300 miles away..he works from home and sees very few people-

That’s your lookout! Don’t expect others not to see people just because you haven’t since March

Actually @HeyBaby2020 it's your lookout AND that of the NHS workers who'll have to treat you or any of your family if you catch it or pass it on. Plenty of people like this are all 'fine, I'll take my chances' but they'll be the ones taking up space in the intensive care unit when that was perfectly avoidable.

One or at the very most two days is plenty. Then we all have to suffer a miserable January with no shops or cafes. It's mad. Sick of the whole wretched business. It's like living in a police state.

Do politicians not celebrate new year?!

Nothing mentioned about that as far as I can see
People ( those not working I suppose) are far more likely to stay from Christmas until after new year I’d have thought

@Igglepiggle78

If so, how will we pay for it afterwards? A month long lockdown? It’s a joke and a runaway train now, we’re screwed.

In the deaths of British people and the overwhelming of our hospitals a month later.

@Heatherjayne1972

Do politicians not celebrate new year?!

Nothing mentioned about that as far as I can see
People ( those not working I suppose) are far more likely to stay from Christmas until after new year I’d have thought

New year is the elephant in the room.

People will be getting together and hugging and kissing family and friends at midnight while drunk. You'll have parties everywhere.

Makes no difference to us. We'll be self isolating for two weeks first then seeing v elderly, shielding parents bw 26th and 29th Dec (2 visits to each pair). And that's it.

Whyyyy? 🤦🏻‍♀️ After all the sacrifices we've made!

@PullTheBricksDown

That’s your lookout! Don’t expect others not to see people just because you haven’t since March

Actually @HeyBaby2020 it's your lookout AND that of the NHS workers who'll have to treat you or any of your family if you catch it or pass it on. Plenty of people like this are all 'fine, I'll take my chances' but they'll be the ones taking up space in the intensive care unit when that was perfectly avoidable.

I doubt that! I am young, healthy with no underlying health issues and tested positive in July (had to test for work) and had no symptoms!!

@Baffled7538

Whyyyy? 🤦🏻‍♀️ After all the sacrifices we've made!

The fact there's a vaccine around the corner as well (possibly even being rolled out before Christmas).

Just sit tight for a few months. Yeah, there's exceptional circumstances within families, but for the most party people don't need to go mad.