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People ARE complying with the rules
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Fredocorleone · 18/11/2020 11:41

I just wanted to leave this here, because all I ever read on MN is that people aren't following the rules and that "what's the point of masks when no one is wearing them in shops etc..."

Taken from the BBC just now...

Public Health England's Dr Susan Hopkins starts the UK government data briefing by looking at the first post-lockdown opinions and Lifestyle survey performed by the Office for National Statistics between 5 and 8 November.

She says at this point England had entered its national lockdown, Wales was under a firebreak lockdown which ended on 9 November and Scotland had parts of the coutnry in higher level trestrictions under its five level system.

Referring to a chart of the survey which shows that most people are following the guidance, she says 81% of adults avoided contact with older and other vulnerable people in the previous seven days

She said there was a "very high take up of face coverings outside the home" with 98% of adults wearing them.

Dr Hopkins adds that 38% are working from home because of the pandemic compared to normal working from home rates of about 12% in the previous year.

She says 89% of people wash hands when they return home from a public place.

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Fredocorleone · 18/11/2020 11:43

I just thought I would share this because since March I haven't seen anyone not doing what they should be doing. I truly haven't.

By and large the VAST majority are doing everything they've been told to do so I just thought it would be worth reiterating that people are trying their best.

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SirFlouncealot · 18/11/2020 11:51

It’s the small % of non mask wearers causing the problem. My DS just recovered from CV after customers at work without masks spent 30 mins coughing all over him during a sale, he hadn’t been anywhere or in contact with anybody so only place he could have caught it. Whole house had to isolate.

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Kazmerelda · 18/11/2020 11:57

Tbh the masks etc don't mean jack if there is no social distancing.

I have had in the last 2 weeks despite me giving enough room people bumping into me or barging me who then TOUCH me to say sorry IN MY FACE. Stating it's ok they don't have Covid, and get offended when I try to back away to 2 metres.

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PurpleDaisies · 18/11/2020 12:02

My DS just recovered from CV after customers at work without masks spent 30 mins coughing all over him during a sale, he hadn’t been anywhere or in contact with anybody so only place he could have caught it.

Those customers being out with a cough against self isolation rules is the issue. Much less them not wearing a mask.

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SirFlouncealot · 18/11/2020 12:04

True...but if the mask doesn’t offer protection what’s the point in anyone wearing them? Would the outcome have been the same? I’m more furious as my DS needs an inhaler for a cold, thankfully it didn’t affect his chest.

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helpfulperson · 18/11/2020 12:04

I agree most people are following the rules. I think that's why we notice the few who dont.

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SirFlouncealot · 18/11/2020 12:05

And he was social distancing

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Ormally · 18/11/2020 12:08

Yes, now if coronavirus could just follow them as well, that would be great.

Coronavirus is following the rules of a novel zoonotic virus in November though.

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PurpleDaisies · 18/11/2020 12:12

True...but if the mask doesn’t offer protection what’s the point in anyone wearing them?

Recent studies have shown that they do protect the wearer to an extent. There was an announcement by the CDC a few days ago. Plus it’s the law.

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MrsTwitcher · 18/11/2020 12:18

These surveys are meaningless unless they ask everyone in the UK. They base their findings on a pretty small number of people.

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PandemicPalava · 18/11/2020 12:21

Bloody hell, look at my thread on family breaking lockdown rules! Says the complete opposite!

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MrsTwitcher · 18/11/2020 12:24

The survey at the end of September was based on 1800 responses out of 2200 people asked. We had more people than that packed on our local beach. If people are following the advice why do we see reports of parties and busy streets every weekend before anither lockdown starts.

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NuttyinNotts · 18/11/2020 12:28

Interesting that the question was about avoiding the elderly and vulnerable specifically and not about whether people have been mixing households. In fact stats about compliance on that measure are curiously absent from the quoted paragraph.

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QueenBlueberries · 18/11/2020 12:30

There are so many other rules regarding self isolation, OP. And I think that's where we are failing. People going out when asked to self isolate after holidays, which in my opinion has been a key factor in causing the second wave. People with symptoms and waiting for test results who go out. People who send kids to school when a member of the family has tested positive. People ignoring symptoms. People going out before the 14 days isolation when asked.

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Kazzyhoward · 18/11/2020 12:36

Yeah, because people are going to be 100% honest about their covid behaviour when answering a survey aren't they?

Just looking around, the streets, shops, neighbours, etc., shows that most people are complying generally, but certainly not those high levels as per the survey. Our neighbour has a stream of people staying over, (son and daughter yo-yoing between home and Uni and bringing boy/girl friends with them), her sister stayed over last weekend from hundreds of miles away. Another neighbour has just returned from a Canary Islands holiday and didn't isolate at all, and even had friends round a few times during the two weeks after return.

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Bluesheep8 · 18/11/2020 12:37

I see people breaking the rules regularly. I'm WFH and see it out of the window I'm facing every day.

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OffredOfjune · 18/11/2020 12:39

Hmmm. Okay

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womaninatightspot · 18/11/2020 12:46

I don't see anyone really breaking the rules. I think there's the odd quiet playdate under the guise of childcare which I can understand given that these kids are sharing a classroom anyway.

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Bluesheep8 · 18/11/2020 13:07

Hmmm. Okay

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OffredOfjune · 18/11/2020 13:12

@Bluesheep8

Hmmm. Okay

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People aren't complying. It's very obvious this time round, and just because a few people in a survey say they're washing their hands (which isn't even really a rule) and wearing a mask, does not mean people are complying with the rules.
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AlexaShutUp · 18/11/2020 13:14

So one in five people are continuing to visit their elderly/vulnerable relatives? That's a concern. I wonder how many more are continuing to mix with other households who are not vulnerable.

I wonder, too, how many people are fully complying with the advice to self isolate when required. I'm guessing that it is nowhere near 100%.

It seems to me that the statistics quoted in the OP only tell half the story. Realistically, there is a reason why we're in the middle of a second wave.

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Bluesheep8 · 18/11/2020 13:48

offred

People aren't complying. It's very obvious this time round, and just because a few people in a survey say they're washing their hands (which isn't even really a rule) and wearing a mask, does not mean people are complying with the rules.

Ah, understood. And agreed. And I bet the people I'm referring to would say they're complying with the rules on a survey too.

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Bluesheep8 · 18/11/2020 13:50

I wonder how many more are continuing to mix with other households who are not vulnerable.

loads, from what I keep seeing!

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Fredocorleone · 18/11/2020 14:00

The problem is the asymptomatic element. There’s probably many people who feel they are complying yet don’t know they have the virus.

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TheGreatWave · 18/11/2020 14:05

So one in five people are continuing to visit their elderly/vulnerable relatives? That's a concern.

Yep because our arms aren't long enough to administer eyedrops from our house, she is not able to move the fridge and washing machine to check on potential mice nor can she carry heavy shopping through, to name just a few reasons for our regular visits.

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