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People ARE complying with the rules

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Fredocorleone · 18/11/2020 11:41

I just wanted to leave this here, because all I ever read on MN is that people aren't following the rules and that "what's the point of masks when no one is wearing them in shops etc..."

Taken from the BBC just now...

Public Health England's Dr Susan Hopkins starts the UK government data briefing by looking at the first post-lockdown opinions and Lifestyle survey performed by the Office for National Statistics between 5 and 8 November.

She says at this point England had entered its national lockdown, Wales was under a firebreak lockdown which ended on 9 November and Scotland had parts of the coutnry in higher level trestrictions under its five level system.

Referring to a chart of the survey which shows that most people are following the guidance, she says 81% of adults avoided contact with older and other vulnerable people in the previous seven days

She said there was a "very high take up of face coverings outside the home" with 98% of adults wearing them.

Dr Hopkins adds that 38% are working from home because of the pandemic compared to normal working from home rates of about 12% in the previous year.

She says 89% of people wash hands when they return home from a public place.

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Bluesheep8 · 18/11/2020 14:13

The problem is the asymptomatic element. There’s probably many people who feel they are complying yet don’t know they have the virus.

But if they WERE complying, to the letter, having it and being asymptomatic would be much less of a problem.
I honestly hear people loudly saying they're still sanitizing all their shopping. And loudly complaining about lack of social distancing in supermarkets. Yet inviting at least 10 people round on one evening and 3 others on another afternoon.Confused

Bluesheep8 · 18/11/2020 14:14

Yep because our arms aren't long enough to administer eyedrops from our house, she is not able to move the fridge and washing machine to check on potential mice nor can she carry heavy shopping through, to name just a few reasons for our regular visits.

But that's allowed as presumably you are her bubble

nemeton · 18/11/2020 14:22

The King's College research last week found that only 11% of people were self isolating for the full 14 days.
11%

That's why transmission isn't reducing.

Fredocorleone · 18/11/2020 14:46

@nemeton

The King's College research last week found that only 11% of people were self isolating for the full 14 days. 11%

That's why transmission isn't reducing.

That's bloody frightening.

And that's why I've said for ages, they need to let other businesses open back up but concentrate financial support on those who isolate. I know my ex employer has made two entire departments redundant. Not because of covid, but because they've decided to outsource the work to agencies. Those employees are now eligible for furlough until March on 80% of their pay despite knowing that they have officially lost their jobs. It's absolute madness that government money is being wasted like this.

Yet people who need financial support to isolate get absolutely nothing. We know that the reason many people may not be isolating is because they can't afford to live on SSP for 2 weeks, or people like me and my husband who are self employed and get nothing.

The whole system just seems to be backwards.

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TicTacTwo · 18/11/2020 15:01

I do not believe that 98% are using face coverings 😂 Wearing a sunflower lanyard fraudulently and using a face covering to warm your chin does not mean that you're using a face covering. Use of a face covering is only relevant if it's used correctly and in conjunction with social distancing and hand washing.

TicTacTwo · 18/11/2020 15:02

The self isolation issue is a major weak part of the chain. There was a post by an idiot recently who wanted to scoot round Tesco with her husband when they were both positive Angry

Sb2012 · 18/11/2020 15:16

In the real world the vast majority are complying. Like you OP, I don’t know many that are not.
However, on mumsnet we have what looks like a lot of posters who are saying it themselves that they are not complying. Especially with the self isolating rules.
Anyway, the way I see it is that you get certain type of people on mumsnet that are rule breakers and like to think of themselves as experts. They are not the majority, but just like to scream the loudest. (Probably the only place where they can)
It’s just like when you read the comments on dailymail. There are the “normal” people that are a true reflection of the population in the U.K. but they are the very small minority, and then you have the vast majority on there who are all a certain “type”. They maybe the majority on the site, but thank goodness not a majority in real life.

Bluesheep8 · 18/11/2020 15:17

There was a post by an idiot recently who wanted to scoot round Tesco with her husband when they were both positive

Yes I saw that - unbelievable. Or actually, all too believable unfortunately

YellowPostItPad · 18/11/2020 15:19

We are complying as are most people I know. MN can be a bit removed from reality.
Also don't forget there are quite a few political sock-puppets, trolls and goodness knows who trying to influence people on Internet forums.
Don't believe all you see on the internet. I think/hope people are a lot more considerate of others in real life. Otherwise life would be hideous if everyone behaved/spoke as they do on here.

Orangeblossom7777 · 18/11/2020 15:43

But the 'rules' saw we are not meant to mix households, rather than avoid older people which is more common sense.

Also people have to wear masks in shops etc that's not a choice.

So I don't see how what the OP is saying means that people are 'following the rules' more following common sense.

OffredOfjune · 18/11/2020 15:46

In the real world the vast majority are complying

Really? Considering KCL found only 11% of people self isolate for the full time they're meant to? Don't think so.

Tyzz · 18/11/2020 15:58

A simple rule like staying at home and only going out for essentials doesn't seem to be followed by all those people shopping in B&Q and all the other shops that have been allowed to open / found loopholes.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 18/11/2020 16:17

Referring to a chart of the survey which shows that most people are following the guidance, she says 81% of adults avoided contact with older and other vulnerable people in the previous seven days

But that’s not a rule. You’re supposed to be avoiding contact with everybody outside your household not just older & vulnerable people.

TBF I can believe you’ve never seen anyone not wearing a face mask. If 98% of the country are complying with the rules on facemasks I think a lot of the 2% are here.

I don’t think the argument that most people are complying is controversial. You only need enough people not to be to undo all the work. And that minority doesn’t have to be very big given schools, many workplaces & plenty of ‘essential shops’ are still open.

RedskyAtnight · 18/11/2020 16:29

I think a lot of the people complying are getting food deliveries (or going to the supermarket once a week at a quiet time), and only leaving the house to go for socially distanced walks. So we don't really notice them.

Schools (particularly secondary schools) must account for a lot of cases. DC's school sends out a letter every time there is a positive test, and we're getting one pretty much every day at the moment (and we're in an allegedly low risk area).

Bluesheep8 · 19/11/2020 10:27

In the real world the vast majority are complying

Not in my little local world they're not. Mixing households as normal. Every day.

Waspnest · 19/11/2020 12:03

I think either people lie in surveys or in their mind they are complying even though objectively they aren't. I found it hilarious on here when one mum could not understand how T and T had identified her as being in contact with an infected person when she was adamant that that could not have happened. Until she remembered she'd taken her kids to McDonalds on the way home from school one day.....

Bluesheep8 · 19/11/2020 13:09

I think either people lie in surveys or in their mind they are complying even though objectively they aren't

But how can people just THINK they're complying? Are they totally stupid or completelt delusional? HmmIt's infuriating. I've already said upthread that I've seen someone repeatedly having several other households round on many occasions, go off in the car with people from 3 other different households whilst bemoaning the fact that people weren't socially distanced in a supermarket! Hmm

Waspnest · 19/11/2020 16:57

Because people like to think they're good people. they're thick

Waspnest · 19/11/2020 17:09

I agree it's infuriating. I am doing the shopping and prescriptions for my elderly shielding neighbours. Yesterday when DH took the shopping round they told him they'd spent the day both going for their annual eye tests, visiting the butchers (which was shut) because they liked the pork pies from there, going to a certain shop because they do cheap sweets and visiting B&M (but only the retail park one not the high street one because it's bigger and so safer Hmm ) and yet they'd like me to carry on doing their shopping because they don't think it's safe in supermarkets. And the wife has her hairdresser coming round to her house to reduce risk.

I just roll my eyes.

Lockheart · 19/11/2020 20:01

I had to walk quite a way down my train this evening to find a spot where everyone was wearing a mask. I can't believe they're all exempt.

Some people are complying with the rules. I would even go so far as to say a majority. But there is a significant portion of the population who are not.

Forgetmenot157 · 19/11/2020 21:26

It stands out more when you see someone not doing what they should be... You may see one person on your whole trip who isn't wearing a mask however the other 100 in the supermarket all were.

KitKatastrophe · 19/11/2020 22:42

My DS just recovered from CV after customers at work without masks spent 30 mins coughing all over him during a sale
Presumably they were 2m away from him so not sure how they could cough all over him. Maybe he should have stepped back or asked them not to cough on him, rather than stand there, less than 2m away, and let them "cough all over him".

KitKatastrophe · 19/11/2020 22:44

Most people I have seen are broadly following the rules. We dont need 100%of the population to follow the rules 100% of the time. But the vast majority of people I see are wearing masks, social distancing and severely restricting their social interactions. A friend may be seeing their mum once a week "against the rules" but if they would usually see their mum, 10 friends and their boyfriend, they're still cutting it down and therefore reducing spread. Its not possible to stop the spread entirely.

SirFlouncealot · 19/11/2020 23:28

Or KitKatastrophe maybe they could have not been selfish and gone shopping with a cough and without a mask.

BackforGood · 20/11/2020 00:02

I like a bit of positivity in life, and I do tend to agree, in many situations, the things you read in the media, are in the media, because they are unusual, and don't reflect what the overwhelming majority of the populations are doing.

However, this
just thought I would share this because since March I haven't seen anyone not doing what they should be doing. I truly haven't

CLEARLY shows you don't live near where I do.
Also, that you can't watch the news very often.

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